On 11/28/2016 03:17 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 (zap) > 2. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > 3. OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World > About Internet Values (Alexander Ross) > 4. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Jonathan Frederickson) > 5. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > 6. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (FaTony) > 7. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the > World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:05:05 -0500 > From: zap <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 11/27/2016 02:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> Send arm-netbook mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of arm-netbook digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. A few questions, (zap) >> 2. Re: A few questions, (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0500 >> From: zap <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 >> gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? >> >> Or am I misunderstanding? >> >> The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your >> delivery dates march or something like that, >> >> I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it >> would arrive, >> >> also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of >> curiosity? >> >> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >> >> but thanks for telling me. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:45:41 +0000 >> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[email protected]> >> To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] A few questions, >> Message-ID: >> <CAPweEDwiTdngDMR0Tupuv35WSRsQ6ZM=alnx9-eujan0j__...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> hiya zap welcome to the list: thanks for agreeing to post this publicly. >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, zap <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4 >>> gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes? >> on the RK3288 board only, yes. most ARM SoCs are hard-limited to a >> maximum of 2GB external DDR addressing: the RK3288 is literally the >> only one i've found so far that can even do 4GB. reason: it was >> designed as a medium-level chromebook processor. >> >> to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with >> above 2GB of RAM. > > If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the > future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not > for the current a20 processor. > > > >>> The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your >>> delivery dates march or something like that, >>> >>> I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it >>> would arrive, >> i honestly cannot say. i did the best i could estimate however >> within even just a couple of weeks of the campaign ending i reached >> out to an associate to confirm the previous arrangement of staying in >> taiwan to help him out (and save costs)... and his arrangements had >> changed. >> >> so really, best thing: keep an eye on the updates, and just go with it :) > Okay I already have been as you can guess by my interest. > > > > >>> also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out >>> of curiosity? >> when i'm making up the 12-or-so for the individuals that pledged for >> fully-assembled ones. in other words i have 12 opportunities to make >> the videos :) >> >> however as this is a libre project, i already started some basic >> instructions if you want to get stuck in early - just bear in mind i >> need to bring the CAD python source up-to-date relative to the current >> PCB changes. so you'll be printing stuff out that will *not* fit the >> current PCBs and components okay? however you will not need to throw >> all of the parts out, just re-print a few of them. >> >> >> https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop-design > > > >>> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >> i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to >> search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a >> long-running project. > Okay my bad. > > > >> l. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> arm-netbook mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 >> ******************************************* > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:12:12 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 > Message-ID: > <capweedwplbxxbzc5vcf0bqnpmvpim7cfp1z4nlpbt5bevrk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ah, just some rules (which are common practice and have been well > established for over two decades) when subscribing in digest mode: cut > the context, otherwise you force everbody (over 600 people in this > instance) to trawl through extraneous stuff that they've already read, > looking for the few percentage points on a line-by-line basis for what > you've written. > > an example of doing that is demonstrated below. which i was forced to > do, myself, as you didn't do it. > > >>> to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with >>> above 2GB of RAM. >> >> If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the >> future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not >> for the current a20 processor. > yes. that's why the update said specifically "4GB is planned for the > RK3288" and no other processor. if there existed any other processor > capable of doing 4GB of RAM i would specifically have mentioned it. > > even the latest intel tablet-targetted SoCs (the ones that have now > been terminated because nobody buys them because they're shit) have > two variants: one which maxes out at 2GB RAM and one which maxes out > at 8GB.
Oh on another interesting note btw, not that you will be doing this in the near future, but I read on trisquel forums that I guess I am not the only one who wants, another size option. such as 11, 10 or 7. My preference is between 10-13 inches. But I just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't the only one. Although, I had a thought, at some point maybe make a poll to see how many people want a smaller size and who would be willing to buy one. THIS is a THOUGHT, I just wanted to put out there. Feel free to deny my request if you don't have the time at the moment, but whenever you can find time, it would be a good idea. >>>> for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time. >>> i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to >>> search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a >>> long-running project. >> Okay my bad. > nono - there's been so much going on it's easy to miss things. > > l. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:27:00 +0000 > From: Alexander Ross <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest > of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > off topic: > > I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by > a number of allwinner :( people: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_internet_values.html > > bit in particular i just read: > > " > Just as one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, one > country’s “soft power” is another’s weaponized values and existential > threat. Because Americans see their values and interests as essentially > benign, they completely miss how those abroad interpret what seem like > harmless acts. (The Chinese and the Russians read Soft Power: The Means > to Success in World Politics, too, and they’re on to you.) Furthermore, > much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s > insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and > unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. As it > is, Chinese Communist Party cadres are instructed by party bosses to be > vigilant against “American efforts to overthrow the communist system > through ‘peaceful evolution’—that is, the spread of Western ideas and > culture.” Now imagine what the turbo-freedom of America’s global > internet looks like to them. > > Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after > President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in > Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized > about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian > countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of > such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear > that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It > called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a > covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” > " > > LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the > enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a > tool too. while other departments hate it :) > > ...but yes the powers that be speak BS about freedom,etc when they them > selfs are promoting the surveillance - the never forget state. it will > be logged, it will be jugged. the citizens will be given a treat level > to the state and status quo rating. or some other named way of > categorisation. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:46:46 -0500 > From: Jonathan Frederickson <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > <caayzkenmg01a-lqlxv_6bospzrhy6ojci8yh5naebhhatqc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>> Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after >>> President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in >>> Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized >>> about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian >>> countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of >>> such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear >>> that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It >>> called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a >>> covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.” >>> " >> LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the >> enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a >> tool too. while other departments hate it :) > Yeah. I think this speaks to just how hard it is to see different > perspectives, even on the internet where there are (in theory) no > borders. As a US citizen it's clear to me that politicians here are > wary of privacy-preserving technologies like Tor. (And PGP and OTR - > hello crypto wars!) Overseas maybe that's less apparent. > > Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US > government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's > more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:12:03 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDxhHJ-reaOmCnjmq_a_LLEATfS5=cffifmrcf_qq5f...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US >> government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's >> more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we > see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive > over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been > undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather > long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S. > diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist > imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country > that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the > point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening > *right now*. > > now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap > going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions, > and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up > someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good > article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open > source intelligence" movement. a quote: > > Today’s capitalism, he argues, is inherently predatory and destructive: > > “Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and > everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard > to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had > spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by > the Industrial Era.” > > huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment" > is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't > believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your > employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence > enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns > absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't > enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value > of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair > wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in > the company! > > yyeah.... > > holy fuck i had no idea: "the west supports 42 of 44 [world] dictators". > > > [1] > http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/philippines-triggers-asian-tectonic-shift-away-from-us/ > [2] > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-source-revolution-conquer-one-percent-cia-spy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 +0000 > From: FaTony <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> Furthermore, >> much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s >> insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and >> unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. > Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west > propaganda. Every day I hear ppl discussing how some bad stuff is > happening in US, Europe or Ukraine and how Russian patriotism and > Orthodox Church are the foundation upon which you should live. > > But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares gets > sued, arrested, tortured or killed. Russian authorities use a blacklist > of sites and do DPI to make sure that nobody will find a way to > opposition sites that bring up Russian issues. They also have the legal > capacity to store all internet traffic for 6 months. > > Nowadays, about 90% of my traffic goes through Tor or VPN because > there's simply no other way to get information. > > But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to > survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from > the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and > grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia. > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 833 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: > <http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/attachments/20161128/2635b74f/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:17:07 +0000 > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <[email protected]> > To: Linux on small ARM machines <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > <CAPweEDzO5n0=zq3e0bwfhr4adlss7c8xamag1-1s5jj6jk_...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:51 AM, FaTony <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to >> survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from >> the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and >> grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia. > you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it > would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david > steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption, > just as much as anywhere. > > he does however point out that the "poor" have, collectively, *MORE* > buying-power than the 1% elite who keep them oppressed and suppressed. > do read what he wrote because i feel that you will see that there is > always hope. > > l. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > > > ------------------------------ > > End of arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18 > ******************************************* _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list [email protected] http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to [email protected]
