On 10/7/20, Hendrik Boom <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 06:59:11PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 6:49 PM Hendrik Boom <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > If you want Mate and do not want systemd, you could start with Devuan >> > and >> > install mate as a package. >> >> the downside of devuan is how far they diverged from debian (global >> search/replace debian on *everything*). this means that if you want >> to use debian/testing - say you are a developer and that makes >> debian/testing absolutely essential - you're absolutely screwed >> because the small devuan team absolutely do not have the resources to >> keep the entire debian/testing repo converted and rebuilt absolutely >> every single day 24x7 with the "global/search/replace" system they >> created. >> >> if they had done it as an "add-on" to the debian repository it would >> have been fine, but the fact that they chose a "backlash" path meant >> that they've completely isolated themselves and their community from >> the rest of debian. > > Yes, it is a small team. The way their repository works is to contain > only packages that they had to modify because of systemd dependency. > For the rest, they do a network-level redirect (possibly an http redirect) > to the Debian repositories.
this is really neat... except they fail to keep up-to-date with testing, unstable, experimental and volatile packages in the bits that they do not "redirect". > So for those packages, Devuan is > automatically as up-to-date as Debian. try adding debian/testing on a spare devuan machine with a huge amount of software packages including qt5-dev, xlibs-dev, python-dev and many more which are perfectly normal for an experienced developer to have, and do an apt-get dist-upgrade. you will immediately see the extent of the problem that devuan have created for themselves. l. _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list [email protected] http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to [email protected]
