Okay. Thanks, Peter. On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:07 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:00 PM Donatom M <donatom.mart...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > How do I do that. I thought it would be automatic. > > Reply All. > > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:20 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Please leave the mailing list on replied. > >> > >> > I would agree that fedora 34 arm has some disadvantages when run on > Raspberry Pi 4 with xorg server. I have fedora installed onto a SSD drive. > As another member mentioned, I have found that audio does not work out of > the box. I have not tried to get audio to work because audio was not > important to me on this build. I would hope that Raspberry Pi support and > fedora-arm would work on remedying the few problems that exist. > >> > > >> > I would like to note that I also have Archlinux-Arm with X server on > an SD card (128 GiG) and everything works without any problem at all, so I > would think that if Arch-ARM can build a system that is fully functional on > Raspberry Pi 4, so can Fedora-ARM. All of my systems are running 64 bit > with Raspberry Pi 4, by the way. > >> > >> Archlinux-Arm uses the downstream Raspberry Pi fork of the kernel. > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:32 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported. > >> >> > >> >> That is correct, there's a very large cavernous gap between "may work > >> >> for a number of purposes including yours" and something that will > work > >> >> for the vast majority of users. > >> >> > >> >> The core "supported" status will change when the standard GUI runs > >> >> fully accelerated and users have WiFi/sound and the things that are > >> >> associated with a reasonable desktop experience as that's the default > >> >> means a lot of new users expect. That's what I, as the RPi > maintainer, > >> >> did when we introduced "supported" RPi3. Any less than that the > >> >> support queries are too high. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4 > >> >> > > > >> >> > > yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct > anymore. > >> >> > > But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline > kernel > >> >> > > (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi > Foundation. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Most notably are: > >> >> > > - audio support > >> >> > > - V3D support > >> >> > >> >> Those two are critical. > >> >> > >> >> > An update to say clearly that only server/headless worked then > would better the. The blanket “it does not work”. I is only that I looked > deeper that I found out that it > >> >> > might work. > >> >> > >> >> The Wiki page explicitly does not say "it does not work" it says it's > >> >> not supported. The words are chosen specifically. By saying it's > >> >> supported a user can rock up when something doesn't work and ask for > >> >> support or assistance, if something breaks we block the release etc. > >> >> By saying it's not supported a user may try it and if it works for > >> >> them great, but if it breaks while we'll attempt to fix it that may > >> >> take time and it may not get fixed. > >> >> > >> >> > Oh and would need a warning that the boot is very slow. > >> >> > I see a black screen for a couple of minutes before I see any > output > >> >> > from the kernel or systemd. > >> >> > >> >> Oh look, a user asking for "support".... see my points above! > >> >> > >> >> > > A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor > to focus > >> >> > > on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the > mainline > >> >> > > kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially > supported. > >> >> > >> >> It's one reason, but not the only ones. > >> >> > >> >> > >> There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that > people are > >> >> > >> getting Fedora to work on RPi4. > >> >> > >> >> Yes, and that's the idea, a more advanced user will be able to > >> >> ascertain it works, and it has for a *long* time and likely be able > to > >> >> do most of what they want to do. > >> >> > >> >> > >> Is there still a reason to claim its not supported? > >> >> > >> If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4? > >> >> > > For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general > issues. > >> >> > >> >> For a headless server it should be fine, but a general user comes via > >> >> Fedora Workstation and expect and accelerated desktop and sound and > we > >> >> don't have them working ATM. > >> >> > >> >> Peter > >> >> - The Fedora Raspberry Pi "maintainer" > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> arm mailing list -- arm@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to arm-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> >> Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > >> >> List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > >> >> List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/arm@lists.fedoraproject.org > >> >> Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure >
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