Hi all,
We will have two public rounds of the recent arm survey results TODAY at
10:00 UTC and 16:00 UTC. We will be meeting at
https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting
If you want more info, please view the article about it at
https://news.opensuse.org/2020/12/01/opensuse-release-team-to-share-results-from-arm-survey-in-online-meetup.md/
Here are the minutes from a recent meeting about the topic below.
v/r
Doug
All meeting minutes can be found here:
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting
Participants: dimstar, dirk, lkocman, a_faerber, maxlin, guillaume_g,
ddemaio
The survey template for the future:
https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/survey-armv7-suggestions
Q: Which ARMv6/ARMv7/ARMv8 (aarch64) hardware are you using?
The option 'AArch64 based general purpose (e.g. Mustang, ThunderX/X2,
Any UEFI AArch64 platform,
aarch64-laptops, other) (SQ05)' contains a lot of choices. We need to
break it down to the future. UEFI/aarch64 covers a huge - U-Boot
implemented UEFI, too.
Perhaps other with text field would help.
Q: What distributions do you use on your ARMv6/v7/aarch64 Hardware?
Ideas: custom image can be misleading as it could be modified Leap
15.1/15.2/TW image or also unlisted item (JeOS). The original idea was
a self-built image containing non-standard patches/package-
set/configuration.
Andreas: mention Kubic next time? (cf. 211 for G01Q06) consider
MicroOS, too?
Q: How long are you using openSUSE on ARMv6/v7/v8 already?
Growth from 36 - 124 over past 4 years
Q: In case you selected Leap, what is the reason for that?
Andreas: Some comments look like people don't know that we have aarch64
TW images? cf. 151 for G01Q06
Dirk: we need to invest little bit more into getting Leap (on Arm)
right.
Q: Would you be okay with migrating your existing Leap installation to
openSUSE Tumbleweed?
we somehow missed ARMv8/AArch64 but that was due to the description
which was ARMv6/7 specific.
Andreas: perhaps split questions into two. If you run Leap would you
consider Leap question yes/no and vice versa (or split by
architecture).
Q: Please share us with any information you might want to add in
addition.
We need to do more marketing/blog posts around aarch64 Raspberry Pi
(RPi4 in particular)
Lubos: perhaps make a blog post with summary of our userbase and
summarize current Arm situation in openSUSE project (what's available
and what not).
* Sound for Raspberry Pi 4 requested, let's make sure that plan is
mentioned in the blog post. Not yet tracked by SUSE for backporting to
SP3?
Dirk: suggests to do a user case specific blog post for raspi-pi4 (e.g.
first contact with opensource world, or computer for kids). Perhaps use
the trend of RPi 400.
Andreas: someone should test the RPi400 if we do the blog post.
Andreas: can we do something so that openSUSE is perceived as more
fine-tuned for Raspberry Pi? So it's comparable to e.g. raspbian
Guillaume: I think this could be video decoding.
Andreas: config tool on Raspbian for editing config.txt - consider a
YaST Raspberry Pi module similar to raspi-config?
Multilib on aarch64: apps like citrix seem to require 32bit libs. Can
we ship multilib on Arm?
Guillaume: Rasp Pi4 is capable of running both 32/64bit libs, but some
Armv8 hardware are 64-bit only and would need ILP32. (zypper does not
allow to install armv7 rpm packages on aarch64) - Andreas: note that
ILP32 libs would not help Citrix apps, right? G: ILP32 would not help
for 32-bit libs and ILP32 is unlikely to reach upstream.
Andreas: -32bit packages seen for ilp32 project, do we need to enable
this via some setting? (careful: do not confuse AArch32/armv7 and ILP32
here, we'd need aarch32 in a way that doesn't rule out ilp32 in the
future). G: Please do not enable ILP32, there is no support upstream!
Dirk: 32bit builds are in fact done on ARMv8 (Andreas: and hopefully
not picking up Armv8 features)
Andreas: While Raspberry Pi 1 is no longer sold, Raspberry Pi 0W still
is, as "new" Armv6 device (G: It should remain in production until at
least January 2026). Would be interesting to monitor how to Armv6
numbers evolve over time (getting less vs. going up?)
Andreas: report of issues with Raspberry Pi firmware in transactional
update mode (157)
Andreas: report of problems with RPi.GPIO on RPi3/RPi4 (241)
ddemaio: Might consider adding a demographic question to the survey to
know when best to brief results to community. Something like "What
region are you in. [] Asia [] EMEA [] Americas
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