Hi Bryan,
     There are at least two official government savings rates. My guess is that you 
are referring to the individual savings rate from the National Income and Product 
Accounts. For a very good description of how it is computed and its advantages and 
shortcomings see Gale and Sabelhaus in the 1999:1 BPEA. 
     Whatever you may think about NIPA savings measures they are not "silly." They do 
a pretty good job of measuring the national income concept of savings which is not 
identical with change in wealth. It is a useful concept since in NIPA savings flows 
equal investment and if household savings is negative it has to be offset by 
government saving or international savings if there is to be any investment. 
     Gale and Sabelhaus do not answer the question that you ask but they do look at 
the question of whether savings rates are low if we define savings as change in wealth 
rather than income minus consumption. They conclude that were (at least at the time of 
the article) extremely high. 
     I wouldn't be surprised if some of the same problems that Gale and Sabelhaus 
address wouldn't be behind some of the results you mention from the literature on 
individual savings rates. - - Bill Dickens

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Bill Dickens wrote:
> 
> Bryan:
> Which "official definition of savings" are you referring?  NBER or
> Palgrave's Dictionary of Economics?  Both emphasize looking at savings as
> abstinence of consumption.  Do you reject the Wicksell-Fisher tradition that
> savings is a reflection about how individuals discount the future?

I am thinking about officially-reported "savings rates," which in recent
years have sparked puzzlement by actually turning negative.  I'm not
sure whose imprimatur is on these numbers.  But the savings experts I've
had the chance to ask have told me that official numbers don't count
stock purchases, capital gains, etc.  

But maybe I'm just confused.  If anyone knows better...

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                        Prof. Bryan Caplan                
       Department of Economics      George Mason University
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