The terms statist and statism do not derive from Mises. Please note 
third definition of statism's first use. Also, statist has for quite 
some time meant a person skilled in affairs of the state, not just a 
supporter of statism. If this is incorrect, I implore you to report it 
to the folks at OED. I understand they try to document the first use in 
print of every English word, and do so rather successfully. 


>From Oxford English Dictionary:

 �tatisme etatizm. Also etatism. [Fr. , f. �tat state sb. + -isme -
ism.] Extreme development of the power of the State over the individual 
citizen. 


1923 Contemp. Rev. Aug. 195 What one might almost call the fetishism of 
the State, an extreme form of �tatisme. 


statism stei.tiz'm. [f. state sb. + -ism.] 
1. Subservience to political expediency in religious matters. Obs. rare.


1609 [ W. Barlow] Answ. Nameless Cath. 370 Religion turned into 
Statisme, will soone prooue Atheisme. 
1626 R. Bernard Isle of Man ii. (1627) 137 The Billes of Inditement 
framed by those false Informers beforementioned,..Machiauilian Statisme 
[etc.]..against Christian Conference.., and the rest. 
C. 1660 South Serm. (1715) 150 Hence it is, that the Enemies of God 
take Occasion to blaspheme, and call our Religion Statism.

2. ? Political science, statecraft. Obs. rare.


1620 E. Blount Hor� Subsec; 40 Such as professe to read Theorie of 
Statisme.

3. 
a. Government of a country by the state, as opposed to anarchy. rare.


1880 Echo 2 Jan. 4/1 The Nihilists do not believe in Communism, which 
is as bad as Statism, and equally deserving of suppression.
b. = �tatisme. 


1919 Sociol. Rev. XI. 62 Traditional phrases such as `The Appeal to 
Democracy', `Freedom for Little Nations', etc.,..have been used so 
often, with so poor a result during the past century, in which all the 
time `individualism' and `statism' have been struggling together for 
supremacy and power under their cover. 
1940 Sun (Baltimore) 5 Nov. 5/7 Republican Senator Charles L. McNary 
concluded his Vice-Presidential campaign tonight with the charge the 
New Deal is `taking deeper and deeper refuge in paternalism and 
statism'. 
1945 A. Huxley Let. 8 Aug. (1969) 531 Men and women..brought up under 
Statism..have been taught to believe that the State is more important 
than the individual. 
1962 Times Lit. Suppl. 23 Nov. 919/1 Anarchic egocentricity thus tugs 
against a Mum-providing statism. This has caused schizophrenia in 
British Labour. 
1970 Daily Tel. 1 Dec. 9/4 In South America today..various forms of 
Marxist-inspired Statism are establishing themselves. 
1979 Time 2 Apr. 52/2 The shortfall itself is rooted in policies that 
have led to too much statism and not enough private initiative.








>From  Gil Guillory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date  Friday, January 10, 2003 2:18 pm 
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Subject  RE: going on about 'statists' 
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The english term "statist" derives from Mises's use of the words
"�tatist/ism" and "statist/ism". Mises used the term roughly to describe
the opponents of laissez faire.

While I do not defend any unspecified "go[ing] on about 'statists'", I
think the word "statist" is useful, describes something worthy of
disapprobation, and I think it worthwhile to decry statist ideology at
length when necessary.

Of course, Jan Lester has pointed out that libertarian anarchists are
actually probably the opposite of fascists, since one can invert
Mussolini's definition of fascism to come up with a very clear statement
of anarchism:

Nothing in the state,
everything against the state,
everything outside the state.

Gotta love it.

Gil Guillory, P.E.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: john hull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> No. Although when you go on about "statists" you do
> sound a little like Marxists when they go on about "captialists". :)

 
 


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