Few things are certain: 1. you haven't really assimilated what I have written in my post - may be you didn't even read it. 2. I can't convince you to enjoy good music, whoever the composer be 3. I definitely did not mention anything about IR in my message 4. You have no idea what it takes to compose for a 90 piece orchestra. 5. you are making unwarranted statements and comparisons, that is simply off the topic. 6. You have contradicted yourself in saying that 'U need a balance in whatever you do'. 7. You are stating that whoever composes in several languages is far superior to people that compose only in one language, when Rahman himself would agree that music is beyond languages. 8. Your comparison of MDs to math teachers couldn't be any more flawed.
I just requested that people be a little bit more objective in evaluating songs so that they don't miss out on some nice gems that are given to us by various other MDs. I don't intend to start a war here. To bring in the 'award getting concept' is to mean that Sivaji Ganesan was not a good actor 'cause I don't remember him getting any national award for any of his 200+ movies!! You very well know what people think of his acting capabilities. Please fully understand that I am not at all attacking Rahman here...I have clearly mentioned that I am a big fan of his muic. I could shed more light on this topic, if you're willing to be a little bit more open about it. --- In [email protected], krishna prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > Remember 1 thing a good music fan is surely bound 2 be an ARR fan.Jus becos of the fact that arr is not high profile very down 2 earth doesn't mean that IR or others r better than him. > > Has IR composed in any other language other than tamil n has been successful? The ans is a big NO.Itz no big deal to be in ur own place n churn out songz n be happy when others call u a genius jus becos u have composed a symphony n jus bcos u hav given some classics.U need a balance in whatever u do.If u call IR a genius jus becos he has composed a so called symphony then take ARR for whom it has become a routine 2 compose for broadway musicals n other projects like Chinese films n > what not.ARR always looks for new avenues bcos he knows that churning out tamil or hindi blockbusters is not even 2% of what he possessess. > > For instance we learn maths at school n college levels.A school teacher teaches us Maths.He is very good at teaching n everybody is amazed by his teaching abilities.One of his students finishes college n takes up teaching in a more easy n understanding manner to the surprise of his students whose standard gradually increases n everybody starts recognising their value. > The new teacher gets offers from all over the world 2 to teach n he accepts them n amazes the with his new techniques by breaking old conventions. > In spite of a barrage of offers the new teacher hasn't shifted base n continues 2 teach in his place n just goes for guest lectures abroad. > > So whom do u think is more potent the teacher (IR) or the student(ARR) who has dramatically changed the way the world views Tamil music or Indian music at large.I just gave this wierd example bcos u need view music with another perspective rather than itz glitz or in terms of hits n flops. > > And for that matter ARR hasn't given 1 nasty stuff in any of his films unlike IR who yields 2 his diectors pressure cos he has become unsure of his future projects.A classic eg. may be Azhagi where there is a 3rd rate nasty song amidst good ones which could have been so easily avoided demeaning his strature of a so called genius.This is not so with ARR cos he sets his own terms while composing n doesnt yield 2 to the directors whims n fancies.In short only a responsible filmmaker will approach ARR.There may be abberations like Star,Parasuram but they only due to ARR's time constraints n busy schedules. > I dont think IR or any other MD has that problem n should be churnig out classics all the time.If u cannot remain consistent while composing in 1 language dont in ur wildest dreams compare ARR with the rest of the band.Comparisons must arise only when they hav achieved atleast a portion of what arr has done. > ARR is a Padmashree n doesnt display it anywhere.IR is still 2 get one.He has received more than 20 filmfare awards which only 1 can dream of. > > Hoping for more light in this topic. > bye, > > > > anushanand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ask yourself whether you are a music fan or just a Rahman fan - the > answer to this question will go a long way in defining your > perspective of film music, comparisons like these and how you adapt to > the ever evolving world of music. We all are Rahman fans here, but to > call all the other MDs frogs hopping in their own wells is being a bit > insensitive. Sure, ARR is going places and he makes us all proud, but > we should also learn to objectively evaluate the quality of songs. > Britney spears is quite popular today, definitely much more popular > than Mozart ever was, but there is simply no comparison between the > two. Britney is probably a multi millionaire, but Mozart was buried > in an unmarked grave 'cause he didn't have a cent when he died. How > much of an effort has been taken to classify other MDs' songs into the > genres you've mentioned below? Doing this may be a big eye opener. > > Of all the composers you've mentioned here, YSR needs to get a little > bit more credit than what you've given him. He has come up with some > amazing numbers recently, songs that indicate great maturity on his > part. Just because he also uses electronic music doesn't make him 90% > Rahman - somebody made a color movie first, doesn't mean that all the > cinematographers these days are 'copying' that guy! It is just a > concept. > > Do not get me wrong here, I love Rahman and I love 'music' more than I > love any MD. > > > > > --- In [email protected], krishna prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > hi, > > > > U can never use the word competition with arr.All other MDs are > frogs hopping in their own well.But Arr is one who goes places > establishes his class in each and every arena he has entered (eg. > hindi,english,tamil,chinese..............). > > > > Can u tell me one MD who has composed exceptionally well, > irrespective of the kind of film or has any MD been entrusted with > subjects as varying as arr has faced, be it > hiphop(Rangeela,Boys....),classical(Sangamam,Lagaan....), > > historical(LoBS,Bose,Iruvar........),Musical( Lord of the > rings,Bombay dreams,Warriors of heaven and > earth....),Mass(Padayapa,Tenali,Muthu...) > > > > Since he is busy with lots of projects at the same time he is unable > to concentrate so much as he used to during his post Roja days.I can > name some films to this effect like May madham,Mr. > Romeo,Kadalan,Gentleman, > > Thiruda thiruda to name a few. > > > > Consider the other MDs whom u think are the ''SO CALLED" > competitors. > > > > Harris Jayaraj: > > He gets the same kind of films and he does his routine job of > regurgitating Arr type musical arrangements(like in Alaipayuthe,May > Madham....) as he has understood very well that only that will keep > him in the reckoning. > > Exception: May be Anniyan or to an extent Kakha Kakha > > > > YSR: > > He is 90% ARR n 10% IR. > > the same old story same themes same kind of music with ARR kind of > orchestration all through. > > Exception: Kadhal Kondein reapeated same trend in 7g > > > > Vidyasagar: > > He is good in his own way but no way can near ARR. > > > > Bharadwaj: > > Takes hit hindi songs and recomposes in Tamil.No way > > > > In hindi though Ismail Darbar and Sandeep Chowta compose well > sometimes r good only in bits and pieces and are too far away in terms > of competition.But I feel Shankar Ehsan Loy has in them to make it big > real time, though they themselves have admitted that they draw > inspiration fron our musical genius.Have not faced different kind of > films though. > > > > Long live ARR, > > bye > > > > > > > > Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you saying that there are MD's who are capable of producing > > scores like Yuva, Meenaxi, Swades, Bose & Boys ? Where is the > > competetion? I feel only other MD's should compete with ARR, not > the > > other way.. and in that Harris Jeyaraj (in Tamil) is doing a good > job > > (even though he repeats his own tunes now and then).. In Hindi, > only > > SEL can be named after ARR. > > > > Sam. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "stylegamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > I think so. Looking at the newer Bollywood dance songs of the > > > millenium, i feel ARR needs to compete. I think it is the natural > > > order of things.When someone like ARR invents a trend, It gets > > > improved and may even get surpassed. It is like taking someone'a > > > original idea which laid a foundation and improving upoun it till > u > > > get the credit for yrself. 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