Hi Dinesh, Quality still stands for itself despite of money spent. I was a big fan of Shankar as well till i saw Sivaji, I think everyone would agree that for sake of popularity he compromised quality a lot in the movie. I did not expect that from Shankar. He may spend huge amount of money on a song but that may be because he might be having big commercial interest in it.
But anyway, everyone's opinion matters here, By disagreeing to yours, does not matter that my opinion is right. Pravinder. --- In [email protected], "Dinesh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If ur gonna judge the best combo by just seeing the respect they give > for ARR's songs, then Shankar tops the list. Have u ever heard any Dir > spend crores on songs solely as much as Shankar? He will create a > 'movie' for 1 single ARR song. > > > --- In [email protected], "Pravinder Sheoran" > <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > > > > Hi Gomzy, > > I would also add the following fact: > > > > I have never seen any director giving this much respect to ARR's music > > before. > > Even Mani Ratnam would chop the songs off. > > But Ashutosh has used them even more than once. > > > > I know Mani is a legend and Ashutosh is only 3 films old. > > But those 3 are one of the rarest movies in India which had immense > > quality. > > Song timings and picturization were superb. > > > > Pravinder. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gomzy <gomtesh.upadhye@> wrote: > > > > > > Well if anyone has observed, mani's direction is mainly dependent > on his > > > entire crew. > > > He hires the best. Not that he is wrong, but very dependent on > them. For > > > example, check out the disappointing endings in Alaipayuthey,Guru, > > Yuva and > > > even Dil se. > > > > > > And personally i felt Guru BGMs went wrong in the second half with > > Guru bhai > > > theme way too loud. > > > Agreed Mani gets the best from arr and ashu has a long way to go, > > but if you > > > observe the bgms in lagaan and swades its just too perfect. Its > just my > > > opinion. > > > > > > And again i thought "yeh Jo Des hai tera" picturisation was one of > > the best. > > > Its innocent and perfect. > > > > > > But whatever it is, we are so glad to all these directors who bring > > the best > > > from arr. > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:55 PM, arr pavan <arrpavan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dude ! you need not go to the extent of saying insult & all. It > > is just > > > > the discussion about Ashu yet to give dimensions that Mani has > > given without > > > > Arr & with Arr. True to the fact mani ratnam has proved on more > > good movies > > > > with any music director. Why left Pagal Nilavu his debut movie > > before Mouna > > > > Ragam. PN is a hit. Mani is highly budget conscious & do not > > experiment > > > > with larger-than-life movies. > > > > > > > > Regards Pavan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *"shanavas.chemmamkuzhi" <shanavas.chemmamkuzhi@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparing with Ashuthosh is an insult to Mani Ratnam.From > Mounaragam > > > > to Kannathil Muthamittal, Mani Ratnam films always offered great > > > > music.Ashuthosh is over dependent on AR, but Maniratnam is capable > > > > to produce good music with any music director. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Arijit Debnath" > > > > <arijit741@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I think whatever the outcome of Rahman-Ashu combo...it's totally > > > > Rahman's > > > > > contribution... if u go for Ashu-'s 1st directorial venture (Bazi > > > > starring > > > > > Amir Khan) am sure u'll be laughing at hearing the songs and BGMs. > > > > > > > > > > Ashu killed a beautiful song called "Yeh jo desh" in Swadesh with > > > > poor > > > > > picturisation. > > > > > > > > > > Mani's thinking is far beyond than Ashu's... I think no one other > > > > than Mani > > > > > can give an idea to compose songs in "Chor Chor/thiruda thiruda". > > > > > > > > > > The BGM of Dil Se...the song concept for "Dile Se re", "satrangee > > > > re".... > > > > > its like awesome. > > > > > Take any song from Roja... in India "rukmani rukmani" is 1st song > > > > of its > > > > > kind... and think about the picturization. > > > > > What abt "iruvar"/"Kannathil > > > > muthamittal"/"Bombay"/"Alepaudey"/"GURU"?? > > > > > The best thing of mani-arr combo is the freshness and new blend... > > > > > something never before heard... be it songs or bmg...so > > > > innovative.... > > > > > > > > > > Innivation also noted in RDB BGMs...... > > > > > I am telling u the diff between Ashu and Rakesh mehera in terms of > > > > > innovation: > > > > > > > > > > The song "Ghanana ghanana"... the part "Mana dharkaye bijuria" in > > > > 3 times > > > > > (lyrics may be wrong)...its called a "Tihai" in hindustani > > > > classical... but > > > > > what Rahman did in the last phrase he added "mana mana dharkaye > > > > > bijuria"....which is technically not correct or out of beat... but > > > > musically > > > > > awesome and innovative... but I am sure...this is coming > > > > completely out of > > > > > Rahman's musical mind...no contribution from Ashu. > > > > > > > > > > Now consider the song "Khalbali" "ziddi..." a totally misfit > > > > song to the > > > > > Rebels in 1940's India... but "Ziddi.." portion is being played > > > > when Bhagat > > > > > Sing and his followers are fasting.... here Rakesh is injecting > > > > the song in > > > > > right place.... > > > > > > > > > > Also take the moment the patriots are hiding and British police > > > > > chasing...and a rock kind of guiter is in background...just like > > > > telling > > > > > "I'll break free"...this is innovation, again Rahman is > injected by > > > > > Director.... > > > > > > > > > > but in Ashu's movies songs and bgms are contemporary... real good > > > > > compositions but not surprising. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway... all these are my personal feelings... > > > > > > > > > > Arijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, Pradeepan R <pradeepanisonline@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason why Ashutosh-ARR combo works well is because > > > > > > CONSCIOUSLY & INTENTIONALLY Ashutosh makes the movie with plenty > > > > of scope > > > > > > for BGM. > > > > > > > > > > > > for example. consider a scene from Lagaan. > > > > > > Indian batsman gets hit on the head. > > > > > > Ashu intentionally shows reactions from atleast 4 or 5 > > > > characters for well > > > > > > over a second, with closeup of their faces. > > > > > > This definitely needs a good BGM. > > > > > > > > > > > > another example from Swades. > > > > > > SRK stares at the open sky for a few seconds upto a minute. > > > > > > There HAS to be a BGM there.. > > > > > > > > > > > > with Mani, things are more casual - less cinematic (may be > > > > termed as > > > > > > mature). > > > > > > But still ARR has lot of chances for good BGM, but not so much > > > > as the > > > > > > SOngs itself. > > > > > > Mani gives ARR a great chance for scoring songs - that can be > > > > heard with > > > > > > the movie as well as without any idea of the Movie.. > > > > > > > > > > > > with Ashu, its more blended with the movie.. > > > > > > I'm not comparing Ashu & Mani , but it will be appropriate to > > > > conclude > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > - Ashu will make a great director for a real 'musical'. (ARR > > > > should use > > > > > > him if he plans to make a musical in India). > > > > > > - Mani will make a great director for fact based, closer to life > > > > style > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > > > > > But its too early to judge which combo is better :)) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Arijit Debnath <arijit741@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me Mani-ARR is the best combo, nothing else matters.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arijit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, Pravinder Sheoran <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > After a lot lot of thinking process, i have come to the > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > that its time now to accept that ARR - Ashutosh combination > > > > has > > > > > > > > surpassed ARR - Mani Ratnam combination (which has been no.1 > > > > for a > > > > > > > > long long time now). > > > > > > > > It may be that many times Rahman Saab composes out of the > > > > world songs > > > > > > > > for Mani Ratnam and Mani Sir also comes out with many ground > > > > breaking > > > > > > > > videos for A R Rahman many times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But when it comes to be a combined effect, i think ARR and > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > give more delightful output which is best in terms of > > > > situation > > > > > > > > handling > > > > > > > > (I mean the songs are according to the situation of the > > > > movie) without > > > > > > > > compromising the quality and taking care of popularity as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its really a tough decision though, i might be influenced by > > > > the > > > > > > > > factor that JA has just been released and has a huge > > > > temporary effect > > > > > > > > on my mind (Which may prove to be a permanent effect as > > > > well). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGREE or DISAGREE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravinder. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Pradeepan. > > > > > > > > > > > > "All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is > > > > given to > > > > > > you !" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. 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