>>I think JA music is an absolute failure on part of ARR. Absolutely Rawat. No wonder JA music had such a bad press.
>>>ARR didn't at all get the feel of the period movie. It seems ARR had >>>absolutely no idea the large - big - huge - grand - great - showman >>>style in which AG was making the movie. Yes. ARR has lost his senses. The music of JA was as good as Bappi's composition for a Mithun's movie. >>>So, ARR composed music which is very personal, individualistic music, >>>and that didn't match at all, didn't fit at all in the grandeur of the >>>movie. ARR should stop composing for himself and start composing for the story. If at all he wants to compose himself he should do his own albums right? >>>Result was disastrous. music sunk down without a trace in the movie. No viewer even thought of music while watching the movie. And poor man Tuteja - somebody from ARR's studio bribed him and made him accept that JA music is indeed better. But we intellectuals know better. >>>This would be the only movie of ARR in which the director didn't butcher >>>the songs, still the songs didn't become noticeable, just because the >>>songs were on a different concept as if ARR was composing for a soft >>>love story between Jodha and Akbar, but the music movie was Princess and >>>Queen Jodha and Azeemoshaan Shanshaah Akbar from beginning to end. >>>Azeemoshaan Shanshaah is the only "public" song, and I found it >>>irritatingly loud. Moulded lyrics worsened it. No Rawat. Some songs were still butchered. Man Mohana was in parts. The instrumentals were not picturised at all. We should actually sue any director who doesn't picturise Rahman's songs or use it BGMs in the name of 'using music to take forward the movie'. Da*n those people like Aamir, Rakyesh and Asuthosh. What do they know about movie making? Their movie simply sells because of the star cast or heavy marketing, nothing else. Public is so dumb that 'made to flop' movies like JA, JTYJN,etc. . became hits. We have to do something about this. How about an intteligent movie watching awareness rally? >>>How could it happen? >>>Why, if ARR and AG are so intimate? >>>Didn't AG tell ARR what he is doing in the movie so that ARR would have >>>included the grandeur in his music? >>>it seems AG kept on emphasizing to ARR that he is making a love story >>>between Jodha and akbar, and that is why ARR created such a personal >>>music for the film, missing out on the grandeur. Don't use the word 'seems' Rawat. That makes you less authoritative. ARR these days has stopped asking anything from the director/producer but the contract price and music rights. >>>Mughal-e-azam also had the 100% classical personal song Prem Jogan Ban >>>Ke, that was shot on Dilip and Madhubala in the garden overnight. But >>>rest of the music was mostly with the grandeur that befits on a period >>>movie of this scale. Even the songs between individuals had a grandeur >>>of a period movie. Yes. When Asif could make a period movie in 60's (a period when viewers had a strog liking for absolute masala films), why can't Asuthosh make a pure period movie conforming to textbooks when there is whole generation waiting over their heels for a pure, classic, period movie. >>>ARR missed on this grandeur, and gave three looooonnnnng personal songs >>>- jashnebahara, in lamhon ke daman mein and khwaja mere khwaja. That was >>>disproportionate for the film. I can't use some expressive words which the moderator would ban. Yeah. . Jash-e-Baharaa, In lamho ke and Khwaja were such a dud with only one (or two?? ) instruments and zero emotions. And lo. . Rahman keeps singing them in his concerts thinking that repeated hearing will make the public like the song. Wake up Rahman. You are 40. Your songs now more grow on us. Give us something instantly hummable. >>>Though I don't blame ARR for Manmohana fiasco. The song was so long and >>>too much noticeable, but that also I think is because AG must have kept >>>on emphasing to ARR about showing hindu Jodha doing prayers in Muslim >>>Akbar's palace, so ARR gave it a lot of importance and created such a >>>loooonnnnggg non-subtle song that pinches in ears. Yes. ARR usually dislikes concepts like patriotism, unity. Thats why he made a song that pinches our hears. And Bela Shinde has such a screeching voice. Huh. . . Rahman has lost his ears for good voice. >>>JA would always hold the crown of music going in one direction and film >>>going orthogonally to that. And I blame AG 100% for that. he took ARR >>>for a ride for this film. And ARR lost by not giving a "pyar kiya to >>>darna kya" level of song in it. I think ARR was just not knowing that he >>>can give such a song in it. Yes Rawat. That's it. Thanks for declaring Asuthosh the culprit. Everybody here, please note that there will be no more arguements about who is the culprit for poor music in JA. ARR should have probably consulted you. . He could have avoided the biggest Box Office disaster of 2008. And let me add this also. . >>>Gomzy is behaving oddly with me lately, giving odd type of answers >>>bordering on pinching, offending, insulting, ridiculing, degrading. >>>I am not liking it all. Behave yourself and stop it. Beware Gomzy. Only Rawat can be opinionated, vocal, contradict and reply to anybody using the single bullet (>) without considering their sensibilities, likenings and affliations . That's why I am using the >>>, lest I attract his ire. Have a nice time Rawat. I wish you keep posting here. Love and Regards. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:20 PM, $ Pavan Kumar $ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JA was a stupid movie??? Hmm.... > > > > AG-ARR is easily one of the best combos..If i were to select my top 10 fav > albums of all times of rahman's..without any second thoughts..Laagan,Swades > and JA would easily come into my list.. > > > > AG took aamir,shahrukh and hrithik because they sell...I hope you did see > those movies.. > > > > Aamir..was made to do a role of a villager in laagan...at a time when he > had 3 consecutive flops with mela, mann , 1947 earth... > > > > Shahrukh..The king khan..the superstar was made to do a role like Mohan > bhargava in swades... > > > > Hrithik..The most handsome,sexiest and youth icon was asked to do a role of > akbar... > > > > AG without doubt is one of the best directors in our industry and Rahman > hasn't gifted anything to AG...Its AG who has extracted some amazing songs > from ARR..Let it be any song from Laagan or Swades or JA....Each and > everysong is a master piece... > > > > This combo is here to stay...and give us more memorable albums in > future..It rocks and rocks big time... > > > > > --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] ARR not composing for Ashutosh Gowariker's next? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 10:57 AM > > > On 7/18/2008 8:35 PM India Time, _Gomzy_ wrote: > > > hehe Rawat, you will be disappointed to know that he is indeed the > > composer. AG is the best and gets the best out of ARR. > > And why should I be disappointed? > > Gomzy is behaving oddly with me lately, giving odd type of answers > bordering on pinching, offending, insulting, ridiculing, degrading. > > I am not liking it all. Behave yourself and stop it. > > -- > And I still think that AG is nowhere near best. He is very mediocre. > > AG takes Aamir, Shahrukh, Hritik because they sell. Similarly, AG takes > ARR because ARR sells. That is why a stupid film like JA has become such > a hit. > > Match that with Guru. Mani took all failed persons, Abhishek is making > record in giving flops, Aish is not really number 1. Mithud holds > guiness record in flops, Vidya had 3-4 films I guess and is one of many > wannabes, Madhvan is probably hit in south india but is unknown in hindi > films. Yet, Guru became hit on its own strength. Now, that is a > diretor's contribution. > -- > > ARR is an emotional person so he has started liking AG - may be for AG's > interest in music or AG's respect and love for ARR, so ARR creates good > things for him. > > It doesn't have anything to do with AG's musical ability to extract good > things from ARR, I think. ARR is gifting away good things to AG. > > Ability to extract good things from ARR is in Subhash Ghai who extracted > great music of Taal from ARR. > -- > > So, if you like ARR+AG songs that is your privilege to like them. I > can't say anything on that. > > None of ARR-AG songs is my fav really, though I had always blamed it on > Javed Akhtar's mechanical, assembly line manufactured lyrics that are > without any touching emotion, but are just logic. > > I still think that AG doesn't deserve ARR. AG is more to the level of > SEL and the likes. > > -- > V > > > >
