What ?? That's one hell of a cryptic line ..... -A On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:29 PM, K. Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PLS DUN STOP BEG ALL OF YA.... PLS... > > --- On *Thu, 30/10/08, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: The dilemma about extracts from DVD! > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 30 October, 2008, 11:26 PM > > > LOLZ LOLZ... Ban Kaissiom... he he.. No way.. > > Okay bros...dont worry. I have an alternative way , and Kaissiom Bhai > himself had suggested me to apply a disclaimer , whenever I share BGMs... > > I will do it... > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:33 PM, lalisingh20 <lalisingh20@ yahoo.com<[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Vithur bhai, pls don't stop sharing the BGM. >> >> If you read kaissiom email carefully, I think he's saying it's ok >> toshare BGMs but not vocals. >> >> hey kaissiom, thanks for giving us the BGMs and taking it away from >> us. I was thinking do you mind if I ask you wat u do for a living... >> because ur emails are always long and serious. >> >> I have a solution to this dilemma: BAN kaissiom from posting anything >> on this group... and everything will return to normal. >> >> >> --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> "kaissiom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Aravind, >> > >> > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or >> > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous BGMs and >> > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( >> > >> > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group here. >> > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate Rahman. >> > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally >> > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the >> > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes available to >> > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, >> > dedicated Rahman fan. >> > >> > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the Radio. >> > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited it. I >> > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's when >> > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right >> > after RDB bgms. >> > >> > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... >> > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD >> > >> > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on DVDs, but >> > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some light on >> > that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned >> > musical bits from DVD: >> > >> > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: >> > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a soundtrack like >> > some of the tracks in BOSE. >> > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? >> > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? >> > >> > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): >> > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. We are >> > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact music is >> > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here >> > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't >> > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because it's the >> > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a >> > commercially available product.. which definitely implies violation of >> > copyright laws. >> > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD >> > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. >> > >> > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference between >> > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially >> > available in form of CD). >> > >> > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may not be >> > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something like... >> > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can still >> > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in >> > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these >> > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially available... >> > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and >> > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and >> > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void for the >> > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a big deal >> > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it >> > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? >> > >> > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well defined. >> > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the producer >> > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( Rahman is >> > working on it). >> > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be shared..for the >> > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from Rahman's >> > CDs. >> > >> > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role model. We >> > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true fans. We >> > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and plagiarism. >> > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the >> > Artists you like! >> > >> > Make Rahman Proud, >> > Wasim. >> > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> Aravind AM <aravind_am@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and Dil-Se... >> > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. >> > > >> > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this >> > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's mail, I >> > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has mentioned in >> > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! >> > > >> > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and >> > ethics/copyright issues. >> > > >> > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your views on >> > the same!! >> > > >> > > >> > > Aravind >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://arrahmaniac. blogspot. com <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/> >> > > >> > > Download Rahmania show interviews at http://rahmania. >> > > 4shared.com<http://rahmania.4shared.com/> >> > > >> > > >> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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