ah aah had release with all BGM compilations... On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Dinesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no offence, but its highly impossible. if im not mistaken, they > mentioned BOYS would have a second batch release, and that didint happen. > > and they even mentioned Sivaji the Boss to have an OST release, but i > dun see any news on it anymore. > > its quite tough for a Tamil film to have an original OST release. i > think the only Tamil film that had OST release was Chandramuki, music > by Vidyasagar. > > ofcource, there were other movies too, but those was ripped from DVD > as well.. > > :) > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "rivjot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I would be over the top of the world and it would be the best day of > > my entire life when that all the BGMs will be released as a box set > > ahhhhh i can only imagine... > > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Chord" <purevibz@> wrote: > > > > > > You know, a lot of this would be put to rest IF THE MUSIC COMPANIES > > > WOULD ONLY RELEASE THE BGM SCORES LEGALLY SO THAT MUSIC LOVERS WORLD > > > OVER CAN ENJOY AWARD WINNING BGM SCORES BY ARR WITHOUT INFRINGING > > > COPYRIGHT LAWS!!! Like what Aamir did for Taare Zameen Par, why can't > > > ARR's BGMS be released along with the DVD as a separate CD? ARR is > > > the master of BGMS! Come on! > > > > > > My dream is that someday, someone, somehow, will release all of ARR's > > > BGMS as a box set package for people to enjoy. Yeah, I know, keep > > > dreaming....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Amith Chandhran" > > > <amithchandhran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In my humble opinion, the copyright laws about the recorded work > > on any > > > > recordable media are very well defined in the legal system. > > > > > > > > Copyright recognizes the exclusive right of a creator to gain the > > > commercial > > > > advantage out of his own creation. It is essential to encourage the > > > artists > > > > and composers to invest their creative inputs in the original > works.* > > > > > > > > *Copyright is a bundle of rights which deals with works like: > > Literary, > > > > Dramatic, Musical, Artistic, Cinematographic films, and Sound > > > recordings. A > > > > musical work means any combination of (instrumental or vocal) > melody, > > > > harmony, singing, or either of them, printed, reduced to writing or > > > > otherwise graphically produced or reproduced. > > > > > > > > Where the musical work is comprising a part of the cinematographic > > > film, the > > > > assignees of the copyrights for the cinematographic film will by > > > default own > > > > copyrights in the musical work. Please refer to my earlier email > > on the > > > > copyright issues here: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/message/88353 > > > > > > > > > The BGMs with which we are concerned as of now, are the part of a > > > movie, and > > > > are intended to be heard/seen/enjoyed as a part of movie, and not > > > otherwise. > > > > Even if we extract them for our own pleasure, in any form > > > (voiceless, with > > > > voice / with or without musical instruments) the copyrights will > still > > > > remain with the original assignee. Since copyright is a bundle of > > > rights, > > > > the assignee who has the copyrights for the movie, will essentially > > > own the > > > > copyrights in the BGMs as well. (*Remember: "All rights of the DVD > > > are owned > > > > by the producer"*) And extracting BGMs will violate the copyright > > laws. > > > > > > > > * * > > > > Where both a CD and a DVD are copyrighted, the copyright laws > will be > > > > applicable to all the work that they contain. > > > > > > > > And unfortunately, the contention > > > > 'we-are-innocent-because-we-are-die-hard-fans-of-Mr.Rahman' is not > > > going to > > > > sustain in any courts in this world. And I am not being sarcastic > > > here, its > > > > the fact. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM, kaissiom <kaissiom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > > > > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at least a year or > > > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have numerous > BGMs and > > > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > > > > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on this group > here. > > > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and celebrate > > Rahman. > > > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare and generally > > > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share something in the > > > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes > available to > > > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, devoted, > > > > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > > > > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my BGM on the > > Radio. > > > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had edited > it. I > > > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard work. That's > > when > > > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. it was right > > > > > after RDB bgms. > > > > > > > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one major thing... > > > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from DVD > > > > > > > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the soundtrack on > > DVDs, but > > > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could shed some > > light on > > > > > that. But please notice the difference between the above mentioned > > > > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > > > > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a > soundtrack like > > > > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > > > > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of original CD. > We are > > > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the same exact > > music is > > > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. Commercial here > > > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it shouldn't > > > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... because > it's the > > > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are tampering with a > > > > > commercially available product.. which definitely implies > > violation of > > > > > copyright laws. > > > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original CD > > > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious difference > between > > > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals(Commercially > > > > > available in form of CD). > > > > > > > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear and may > not be > > > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be something > like... > > > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But we can > still > > > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the public in > > > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe these > > > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs commercially > > available... > > > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of ripping and > > > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are overlooking and > > > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up the void > for the > > > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part is a > big deal > > > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and that is what it > > > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright holders lose? > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very well > defined. > > > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) or the > producer > > > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it partially( > Rahman is > > > > > working on it). > > > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be > > shared..for the > > > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio songs from > > Rahman's > > > > > CDs. > > > > > > > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our role > > model. We > > > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as true > fans. We > > > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy and > > plagiarism. > > > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs of all the > > > > > Artists you like! > > > > > > > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > > > > Wasim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > Aravind AM <aravind_am@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal and > Dil-Se... > > > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to the group. > > > > > > > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not sharing this > > > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading kaissiom's > mail, I > > > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he has > > mentioned in > > > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally justified! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > > > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give your > views on > > > > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at http://rahmania.4shared.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
