Good point, Aakarsh In our anxiety to glorify ARR, we should be careful not to demean other artists. Warm Regards ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vinayak
theregoesanotherday.blogspot.com On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Aakarsh <[email protected]> wrote: > With all due respects to both, Jagjit Singh and also ARR, let us first > note that it is an opinion and not necessarily a case of mud-slinging. > > And he was referring specifically to 'Ghazals' alone. We must note that of > Jagjit Singh did not admire ARR, he would not have agreed to be part of 'Jan > Gan Man' by ARR. > > So, lets not blow it out of proportion. > > Now, coming to ghazals, if one really listens to Ghazals, say the ones that > were composed in films, what jagjit Singh said is absolutely right. We dont > have ghazals anymore and lets accept it, even ARR did not compose many. > > ARR is music-driven composer and many lyricists, including Gulzar, agreed > that he gets to write lyrics for the tunes already set into music. and later > they work around it. > > > - In Ghazals, the words are born first and then music is set to the > words. > - Also, the composer has a very indepth acumen about the language, > words, vocabulary, usage etc, while composing Ghazals. More importantly > urdu. > > > For both these points, ARR actually does not fit in. So, he has a point. I > am not saying that ARR is incapable of composing tunes for lyrics. Neither i > am saying that ARR lacks lyrical sense. Just that he has recently started > learning Hindi/urdu and that too out of the songs he composed. So, it is not > that he speaks/converses in Hindi/urdu to have a grasp/mastery over the > language to understand the nuances and then set music accordingly so that > certain words outshine the music, as the ghazals demand that. > > Jagjit Singh is a seasoned ghazal singer and he has seen the length and > breadth of this field called 'Ghazals', having been one of the great singers > himself. So, from his angle and point of view, it is natural for him to feel > so. Rahman songs have good lyrics for sure, but they are definitely not > comparable to the ones in Ghazals or the world which Jagjit Singh has seen. > > The only exception is ARR's Tehzeeb, which had 3 wonderful Ghazals, that > reaffirmed my faith in ARR that he can compose good ghazals too. But tell > me, How many people know about Tehzeeb, because it is not a great audio-hit > commercially, for us to see it in all TV channels. And also, How many > Tehzeebs did ARR do after that? None. I am sure that Jagjit Singh never got > to listen to this album. > > Just that ARR is not getting film-makers who insist on such rich ghazals. > Whatever might be reason, Jagjit has a point though. Lets look at it > objectivistically, instead of just posting negative comments on Jagjit, > without verifying whether he has a valid point or not. > Regards > *Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla.* > ** > *http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com * > > > > --- On *Wed, 1/28/09, gut but <[email protected]>* wrote: > > From: gut but <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about ghazals > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:52 AM > > I think Jagit singh is not happy about the fame and attention that > rahman is getting at the moment ! > we need to understand that rahman is not sticking to particular kind of > music, he goes according to > the taste of contemporary world and theme of movie. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* jsrwm <js...@yahoo. com> > *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 January, 2009 23:22:32 > *Subject:* [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about ghazals > > Another story of "Oops this is a sour grape" begins.. > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > Anil Nair <rhythmcalls@ ...> wrote: > > > > Didn't expect Jagjit Singh to say this ...or maybe its just yet again > the > > "media monster" at work > > > > -A > > > > http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html<http://movies.indiainfo.com/2009/01/28/0901280633_gazals.html> > > > > What does Rahman know about ghazals?Wednesday, January 28, 2009 06:31 > [IST] > > > > Mumbai: DNA > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > _gazals.html#<http://movies.indiainfo.com/2009/01/28/0901280633_gazals.html#> > >, > > in association with Rotary Club of Hiranandani Estate, Thane, brings > on > > stage the legendary ghazal maestro to recreate the magic of the > > music<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html#<http://movies.indiainfo.com/2009/01/28/0901280633_gazals.html#> > > > > form. > > On the eve of Jagjit Singh Live in > > > Concert<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > _gazals.html#<http://movies.indiainfo.com/2009/01/28/0901280633_gazals.html#> > > > > (at > > the Shanmukhananda Auditorium), the veteran exponent of ghazals rues > the end > > of their era in Hindi films. > > > > Jagjit is not singing any film songs currently because he feels there > is a > > lack of taste on the part of today's filmmakers and music directors. > "They > > don't know what ghazals are all about and they lack good taste in > music. > > What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? He will never use a ghazal in > his > > films. All they do is pick up tunes from the West," he says. > > > > He criticises contemporary music directors for ruining the Indianness > of > > sound. "Earlier, in the 60s and 70s, 90% of the music was based on the > > ghazal. Today, there's no poetry phrasing, it's all Western and the > language > > is tapori -- a mix of English and Hindi. What kind of lyrics are Pappu > > can't dance > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > _gazals.html#<http://movies.indiainfo.com/2009/01/28/0901280633_gazals.html#> > > > > saala?" > > > > Yet the popularity of the form endures. He says, "My audience has only > grown > > over the years. I always improvise and add variations to my old songs > on > > stage. Every ghazal is re-born on that day." > > > > Interestingly, Jagjit only performs for a cause. On January 29, at the > DNA > > and Rotary concert, he will perform to provide midday meals for > children. He > > says, "I never give dates to concerts which are just money-making > measures. > > I want to give back to the society. So I give my dates only to charity > > concerts." > > -- > > -A > > http://viewsnmuse. blogspot. com <http://viewsnmuse.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > >
