fastastically written, some very valid points in here.i have some thoughts.
Will type them out later
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:06 IST V S Rawat wrote:
>On 9/11/2009 6:56 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote:
>
>> I am hearing the words mediocre and average being thrown around in
>> some places to describe Blue's music in some reviews. Guys, how can
>> such brilliant work be average?
>
>It is a person's personal judgment whether a work is brilliant.
>
>Similarly, it is some other person's personal judgment whether a work is
> not brilliant, and is mediocre, below average.
>
>> The depth of compositions and
>> intricate orchestration and arrangements is anything BUT average or
>> below. Even saying above average is a huge understatement.
>
>You started with "lyrics are said to be bad", then you take a switch to
>"music is good" to say that "thus, lyrics also have to be good". see for
>yourself. It is not really logical line of thinking.
>
>"depth of compositions and intricate orchestration and arrangements" is
>one aspect of the song, and that may be brilliant. Similarly, words/
>lyrics are another a different aspect of the song and they may be
>mediocre/ below average while other aspects of songs are brilliant. One
>part being great doesn't make an entire song great. One part being
>wanting doesn't make overall song lacking.
>
>For example, in recent times, chak de india's song kuch kariye had such
>lovely, heart touching, earthly lyrics by an unknown "Jaideep Sahni"
>that would do even a Gulzar or Ghalib or Meer proud, but the music, was
>just ok, went too fast to let people absorb the lyrics, and the khichdi
>of "loud in comparison" "chak de India" refrain, and female chorus,
>backgroun just "killed/ murdered/spoiled" the beauty of the mukhda/
>stanza portion of lyrics. This song should be taught in class room as
>the perfect case how to kill great lyrics.
>
>Similarly, Taare Zameen Par, had excellent hearth touching lyrics in
>"dekho inhein hain os ki boondein", tune, music also good, still the
>song went a tad slow, too soft, introvert, subdued that it didn't get
>the prominence it could have deserved. "Maa" of the same movie were too
>emotional in lyrics, music and singing that it deserve to not get
>popular, irrespective of award it fetched for the singer.
>
>Again, all these are my personal judgment.
>
>ARR's Zindagi of Yuvraj has everything great, music, lyrics, whatever
>else. However, Ghajini's Kaise mujhe though we all like that a lot, now
>I think that that song is lacking something that I can't pinpoint
>really. may be, it went a tad too loud, sort of a "declaration" for a
>emotional song that should have been introspective - a la zindagi.
>
>But, other songs of ghajini -- and I am not speaking of latto and
>bachchoo which were intentionally kept cheap, had poor lyrics. The most
>popular guzarish had lyrics that a 10th standard child poet might write,
>just putting rhyming words matching scale - no thought, no concept, no
>inner beauty, no content - that was wordsmithing, words being fitted to
>give the shape of a song like a menial worker putting physical things to
>fit in a shape. Even then it got popular.
>
>Coming to lyrics of ballooo, blooo, ullooo, falloo, there are good urdu
>words put at places, that had not earlier been used much in ARR songs,
>so they sound good. But that is it and that is all. There is not much
>depth vibrating through entire song. These are just individual separate
>pieces that are good lyrics, but none of the entire song is a single
>whole entity having a life of its own, no single thought or line of
>thought peeking from the entire songs.
>
>It is a general feeling that ARR is quite confident (though I think "too
>proud" would have explained it better but that would hurt several of
>you) about his musical instincts and creativity, and I concede that
>rightly so, but that makes him ignore lyrics "intentionally". Seems as
>if he considers lyrics are necessary evil and he is compromising the
>greatness of his music by putting lyrics in it. Sometimes he gets good
>poets so good lyrics come up but not as a rule of ARR songs, just
>because of the individual presence of a good lyrics writer who is not
>ready to compromise. Seems ARR's standard of lyrics is as low as
>"jurrasic park mein sundar se jode rap music gaaye jam ke" or "patti
>rap" or "latka jhatka" or "telephone dhun mein hansne wali" sort of
>cheapness presented in the name of lyrics.
>
>Again, all these are my personal judgment.
>
>Blue lyrics are better than Ghajini's, but still writer is appeaing as
>novice who might have good potential in future, but is a kid learning
>and experimenting at present.
>
>Again, all these are my personal judgment.
>
>Coming to music, I have been hearing Blue now for most of some 48 hours,
> and my conclusion is this.
>
>Blue music sounds so rich and complex as none of ARR's earlier album had
>been in toto till now.
>
>But, it lacks content, it is showbiz, it is decorative, it is soulless,
>it is all glitter and nothing else. I am listening to it and liking the
>beats etc., but it is not giving me internal intellectual emotional
>satisfaction that several of ARR's earlier words had given me.
>
>I don't know how many of you have heard "muqabla" in last one year or
>decade, that once went so popular that dozens of copycats mushroomed on
>it, its copies even went in two full fledged hindi movies, but how many
>of us are still listening it, how many of us listen to hello doctor or
>Kay Sara Sara. Such songs have a smaller lifespan. New catchy beats make
>them popular and then mind memorizes the beats pattern and the song
>looses charm leaving nothing emotional/ intellectual for the heart/ mind
>to cherish, and the song becomes boring or dead.
>
>Blue songs are also like that. Will go very popular but will die after
>that and no one will humm them or listen to them while they still go and
>will keep on going back to Dil Se after 11 years of its release or
>Rangeela or Taal or Bombay or Guru after years and ages of their release.
>
>Blue is ARR becoming commercial, though I agree that being commercial is
>not a bad thing in a commercial world. But, in blue, ARR has become
>purely 100% commercial, compromising his inner instinct of what he knew
>and trusted and gave for his fans' various tastes. This is not a good
>indication of the things that future holds from ARR and for ARR.
>
>Thanks for putting me into blabbering spree.
>--
>Rawat
>
>
>> Keep in mind, I'm not downing anyone who doesn't like the music due
>> to personal taste...have no problem with that. But to call the music
>> average when it is clearly musically superior in compositional terms
>> is just false.
>>
>> I can't believe how much I'm posting about Blue's music. You can
>> tell I'm very excited and very happy.....almost bubbling with joy and
>> can't contain myself from posting here to express it!
>>
>> Thanks Gopal for creating a group that allows me to post my thoughts
>> and feelings so freely!!
>>
>
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