Personally before disposing of old drives I get out the old Radio Shack
bulk eraser.  I take off my watch and then erase them twice (just for
peace of mind). 

Fred

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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 7:56 AM
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Subject: Re: DB Scrub

I have used dd to overwrite entire drives with 0 before returning to hd
companies in the past.  Supposedly this overwrites every sector with 0.
In the above scenario though, this would not have worked.

Axton Grams

On 4/28/06, McKenzie, James J C-E LCMC HQISEC/L3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One more comment:
>
> There is no way to completely clean a hard drive of data that was 
> written to it.  This has been proven with a court case where a pervert

> was sent to jail after a special FBI agency was able to recover 
> evidence from a supposedly 'wiped' hard drive (yes, he used DESWIPE, 
> which had overwritten the drive seven times.)  They explained that the

> head drives something like a six-lane highway, but due to misalignment

> of the drive's heads and the track it drives, there remains something 
> like a six inch to two feet overrun that the head never writes to 
> again.  In this area is where they revovered the evidence.
>
> This is why the government requires removal of old hard drives (at 
> least where I work) before systems are handed over to non-government 
> entities, including the on-base school.
>
> James McKenzie
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: [email protected]
> Sent: 4/27/2006 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: DB Scrub
>
> http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/bcwipe.htm
> This is the dod application for standard Fly in your Soup issue..
> You would still have to remove the data in question.. Remove all the 
> backups with that Fly..
> Then Wipe drive and restore older data..
>
> But one thing is for sure.. If it is military stuff... Better follow 
> the Instruction or you might find yourself in Ft. Leavenworth..
>
> Not the Visitors section either..
>
>
> Have fun.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L. J. Head
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:00 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: DB Scrub
>
> I am simply trying to generate a list of options with pro/con for each

> to determine how much effort they are interested in going through to 
> eliminate data.  But to the best of my knowledge in this type of a 
> situation a tape would be magnetically 'cleaned'...or in the case of 
> hard drives and such they do a series of 0 and 1 alternating writes to

> all blank space to ensure that data cannot be read....thanks for the 
> response
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:51 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: DB Scrub
>
> If you are using Oracle, you can do a table reorganize.  This 
> compresses the data and gives some level of certainty that the data on

> the physical device is overwritten.
>
> What do other apps that fall under this umbrella do to clean data from

> their databases?  Also, how is the data removed from other storage 
> mediums (tape, replicated servers, etc)?
>
> Axton Grams
>
> On 4/27/06, L. J. Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In the DOD arena there are times that data needs to 'disappear'.  I 
> > was asked by a customer yesterday what options were available for 
> > scrubbing of data.  I offered the ability to delete records in audit

> > trails and the asked a question I had never even considered.  Once 
> > Remedy issues the Delete command...and commits the transaction it is

> > deleted out of the table...but what can be done to ensure the data 
> > is gone and not just having the pointer to the data removed.  Those 
> > in government are familiar with the 'military wipe' type of cleaning

> > utilities.  We are running SQL Server 2000, are there DB commands 
> > that
>
> > I can run to perform an online compress or something like that?  
> > TYIA

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