I agree with you. However, even $14,000 should not be the main decisive factor on choosing or migrating to a specific environment, for most companies running Remedy, except for the small shops, that anyway cannot afford Remedy in the first place. As time goes by, the price difference will be even smaller, so the next time somebody asks the same question, and somebody will, the price difference may be $5,000. In the end, this whole discussion boils down to having the right in-house skills and making sure whatever environment is chosen, that is configured and tuned appropriately. Guillaume
________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Axton Sent: Thu 10/05/06 2:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Advantages/Disadvantages between platforms running Remedy I do not consider that expensive, but I don't consider it capable of handling most Remedy environments either. Look at the v445 with 4x1.6ghz w/ 8gb mem at 26k USD. I do consider that expensive in comparison to a DL585 with 4x2ghz AMD Opteron's with 8gb memory at 12k. I'm sure there are comparably priced Sun branded AMD boxes, but the Sun hardware is still expensive in comparison. Axton Grams On 10/5/06, Guillaume Rheault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ** > > Hey Curtis, > > I know ARS does not run on Solaris on Intel or AMD, but it should. Since it > ARS already runs on Linux, it should not be too hard to port it to Solaris. > Of course, porting it means supporting it, and if the market is not ready, > it's not cost justifiable. So that's the bad news. > > My point is many people have many old conceptions about UNIX and Windows, > and most of these misconceptions are obsolete. > > For instance, you have a misconception that SPARC hardware is expensive. I > believe the entry level SPARC server is the V125, and it is priced at > $2,195.00. > Do you consider that expensive? > > http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v125/ > > My point is things are changing very rapidly in the OS/hardware market and > the misconceptions need to be adjusted accordingly. > > Guillaume > > ________________________________ > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Curtis > Gallant > Sent: Thu 10/05/06 1:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Advantages/Disadvantages between platforms running Remedy > > > > Hey Guillaume, > > I agree, in my oppinion Unix is a much better platform for production > systems but your argument belows is not completely accurate in all > situations, yes Solaris 10 X86 can run on a multitude of cheap > hardware/laptops but in relation to AR System itself, it has not been > ported to Solaris X86 and from my conversations with BMC will not > anytime soon unless more people start requesting and sending in business > cases as I did. AR System will only run on the Sparc version of Solaris > running on native Sparc hardware which locks us into expensive (but very > robust) hardware. > > The day I can have Solaris X86 on my laptop with a full AR System > running would be a good day ;) > > Cheers, > > > -------- > Curtis Gallant > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Advantages/Disadvantages between platforms running Remedy > > Hey Axton, > > At least for Solaris, you can run it almost anywhere, even laptops. So > the argument that UNIX only runs on expensive hardware does not apply to > Solaris at all. > I have seen myself Solaris 10 running on laptops, how about that? > > BTW, here is the hardware compatibility list (HCL) for Solaris 10: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/ > > Here is the compatibility list for Solaris 10 on laptops, as incredible > as it sounds: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/systems/views/all_laptops_all_r > esults.page1.html > > > Guillaume > > ________________________________ > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Axton > Grams > Sent: Wed 10/04/06 6:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Advantages/Disadvantages between platforms running Remedy > > > > MSSQL Advantages: > - Case insensitive > > MS OS Disadvantages: > - When things break a reboot is in order, when things really break a > rebuild is in order > - c api development typically requires purchasing an MS compiler and > learning an MS tool > - Open software sometimes has trouble working properly/reliably and is > subject to breaking with MS updates > > UNIX Advantages: > - people proficient in unix/linux can actually investigate and resolve > issues > - Open software usually works > > UNIX Disadvantages: > - expensive hardware > > Linux/MS Advantages: > - cheap hardware > > Some questions to ask that I can't answer: > - Is clustering more robust in unix/linux environment? > > Apart from a technological standpoint, there are other things to > consider: > - what skills are at your disposal in your organization? > - what skills do your remedy people have? > > Axton Grams > > Scott Neeb wrote: > > We have an initiative at my work entitled "Why Not Microsoft?". We're > > > supposed to ask ourselves at critical application milestones if we > > should contemplate moving Remedy to the Windows platform. We > > currently reside on UNIX with an Oracle database, so Remedy is always > > being evaluated as a candidate for the move. They asked me today if > > there are any advantages/disadvantages between running Remedy on > > UNIX/Oracle as compared to Windows/SQL Server. I haven't seen any > > documentation or user comments anywhere on the internet, so I was > > wondering if any of you have any prior experience with this type of > > move, and if you've seen any advantages or disadvantages to this type > > of move as it relates to the ARSystem. Thanks in advance. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at > > http://www.wwrug.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > Hey Axton, > > At least for Solaris, you can run it almost anywhere, even laptops. So > the argument that UNIX only runs on expensive hardware does not apply to > Solaris at all. > I have seen myself Solaris 10 running on laptops, how about that? > > BTW, here is the hardware compatibility list (HCL) for Solaris 10: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/ > > Here is the compatibility list for Solaris 10 on laptops, as incredible > as it sounds: > > http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/data/sol/systems/views/all_laptops_all_r > esults.page1.html > > > Guillaume > > ________________________________ > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Axton > Grams > Sent: Wed 10/04/06 6:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Advantages/Disadvantages between platforms running Remedy > > > > MSSQL Advantages: > - Case insensitive > > MS OS Disadvantages: > - When things break a reboot is in order, when things really break a > rebuild is in order > - c api development typically requires purchasing an MS compiler and > learning an MS tool > - Open software sometimes has trouble working properly/reliably and is > subject to breaking with MS updates > > UNIX Advantages: > - people proficient in unix/linux can actually investigate and resolve > issues > - Open software usually works > > UNIX Disadvantages: > - expensive hardware > > Linux/MS Advantages: > - cheap hardware > > Some questions to ask that I can't answer: > - Is clustering more robust in unix/linux environment? > > Apart from a technological standpoint, there are other things to > consider: > - what skills are at your disposal in your organization? > - what skills do your remedy people have? > > Axton Grams > > Scott Neeb wrote: > > We have an initiative at my work entitled "Why Not Microsoft?". We're > > > supposed to ask ourselves at critical application milestones if we > > should contemplate moving Remedy to the Windows platform. We > > currently reside on UNIX with an Oracle database, so Remedy is always > > being evaluated as a candidate for the move. They asked me today if > > there are any advantages/disadvantages between running Remedy on > > UNIX/Oracle as compared to Windows/SQL Server. I haven't seen any > > documentation or user comments anywhere on the internet, so I was > > wondering if any of you have any prior experience with this type of > > move, and if you've seen any advantages or disadvantages to this type > > of move as it relates to the ARSystem. Thanks in advance. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at > > http://www.wwrug.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org > > > __20060125_______________________This posting was submitted > with HTML in it___ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org
