Hi All , Yesterday I said that a floating license is not release.
I was wrong. The reason is that I had performed the test in the following condition: - ARS version 6.3 patch 21 - AR mid tier 7.0.1 patch 001 - IIS 6.0 on Win 2003 SP2 - IE 7.0 - New Atlanta 5.0 Today using the same mid tier but connected to ARS version 7.0.1 running on MS SQL 2005 SP2, the test was a success. Steps to reproduce: - create a regular form - create an AL running on Windows Close event with Run Process PERFORM-ACTION-EXIT-APP Regards, Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ARSList Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Freeing licenses Shouldn't the Mid-Tier "Session Timeout" take care of the license? I would think when the users closes the browser after this timeout happens, the license should be released. I would test this in my lab, but I don't have the ($$$) floating licenses for my test. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Freeing licenses I built another environment as follows and retested the behavior: - 7.x def used for testing available at http://arswiki.org/dist/ars/AppClose.def *** Steps to reproduce the issue (method 1): 1-after importing the def, go to the home page on the mid-tier server 2-open the TestAppCloseLicenseUsage/Console entry point 3-click the 'open in current' button on the console form (this performs an open window action in the current window) - you will receive a hang in the app; click stop script to continue if using IE 4-close the window This terminates all browsers, the main console has an AL to exit-app on window close, but the license remains allocated. Expected Result: - Floating license is releases Actual Result: - Floating license remains allocated *** About the stop script error: When you have an AL on a form that perform the exit-app run process on window close, and you perform an open window action to the current window, this causes an error. In IE you are presented with the option to stop/continue the script. In Firefox, you get a java stack trace: Mar 18, 2007 1:55:19 PM - SEVERE (com.remedy.log.SERVLET) : (Thread 11) Caught RuntimeExceptionjava.lang.NullPointerException at com.remedy.arsys.goat.FormContext.<init>(Unknown Source) at com.remedy.arsys.stubs.GoatServlet.postInternal(Unknown Source) at com.remedy.arsys.stubs.GoatHttpServlet.doGet(Unknown Source) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:690) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:803) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applica tionFilterChain.java:269) at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilt erChain.java:188) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValv e.java:210) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValv e.java:174) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java :127) at org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java :117) at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve. java:108) at org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:1 51) at org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Processor.java:87 0) at org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11BaseProtocol$Http11ConnectionHandler.proc essConnection(Http11BaseProtocol.java:665) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.PoolTcpEndpoint.processSocket(PoolTcpEndpoint .java:528) at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.LeaderFollowerWorkerThread.runIt(LeaderFollow erWorkerThread.java:81) at org.apache.tomcat.util.threads.ThreadPool$ControlRunnable.run(ThreadPool .java:685) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595) It would appear that the exit-app run process ran (partially at least), and an exception was thrown when the form attempted to reuse the current browser window. To sum it up, using an open window action in tthe current window causes a null pointer exception to be thrown if the parent form has an AL that performs the exit-app run process on window close. The exception is not thrown when the active link (exit-app on win close) is disabled; but the license is not released either when the form is closed. Hopefully this helps you see the catch22 of using this approach and why it is not a viable alternative. The mid-tier just needs to be fixed to handle this properly, which as I see it: when a browser session terminates, the mid-tier should be responsible for reaping all licenses associated with that session; the same as closing the user tool. Remedy customers should not be responsible for coding around this flaw; which, to address the issue properly and without introducing errors, can be a complex task. *** Environment Information: - ARServer 7.0.01 patch 001 200701111654 on Win2003 - Mid-tier 7.0.01 Patch 001 200701091113 on CentOS 4.4 with 2.6.9-023stab040.1-enterprise kernel - Oracle 10g on CentOS 4.4 with 2.6.9-023stab040.1-enterprise kernel - Tomcat 5.5.23 - Sun JDK build 1.5.0_11-b03 - Authentication was performed using standard Remedy passwords *** Browsers Tested (all failed): - Firefox 1.5.0.10 - Firefox 2.0.0.2 - IE 7.0.5730.11 Axton Grams On 3/18/07, Axton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except that David's approach doesn't work. I tested it, have you? I > even went so far as to have a third party test it; they got the same > results I. I'm just trying to save you from spinning your wheels > needlessly; take it or leave it. > > Go ahead and write the workflow in the manner David suggested and see > if it makes a difference. > > Axton > > On 3/17/07, CONDREA, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Axton you just want to find out how smart you are. > > > > David J. Easter, Sr. Product Manager - BMC Software, suggested > > "PERFORM-ACTION-EXIT-APP" and, in my opinion, he is smarter than you. > > David's suggestion is simpler and releases a licenses immediately while > > yours is very complicated and cost to much. > > > > Daniel > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton > > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:15 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Freeing licenses > > > > You could write a simple program to scan/release licenses using perl or > > java. If you wanted to get a little fancier, you could write the api to > > cross-reference mid-tier/servlet/web server sessions to arserver > > sessions, then drop the ones initiated from the web that no longer have > > a valid web/servlet session. Just an idea, and I am sure there are some > > details that would have to be ironed out. If you kept the api simple, > > you could call it on window close from an active link; this would do > > what the run process command (exit-app) is supposed to do, but doesn't. > > > > I would also suggest you register with the bugzilla app I set up and > > register your votes against this defect, if you haven't already. > > Public involvement in this app is going to be the catalyst for BMCs > > involvement. I see 3 people from BMC registered now, just waiting at > > this point to see what they plan to do. http://arswiki.org/bugs > > > > Another option, you could pressure support to flag the issue as a > > defect, then wait on a fix. > > > > Axton Grams > > > > On 3/17/07, ARSList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Axton, > > > > > > Can you suggest ways for me to set this auto-logout based on either > > > escalation or interval due to my organizations secure-web > > > timeout-disconnect? (This disconnect happens 20 minutes when there is > > > > > no activity.) I am trying to not only make the floating license > > > time-out issues work, but satisfy my users as well. > > > > > > I appreciate all of your help - beyond my issues, but helping everyone > > > > > else too! > > > > > > Nick Hromyak > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:06 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Freeing licenses > > > > > > It's probably not a problem with it firing before the browser closes; > > > but instead is a problem that the run process and logoutservlet just > > > flat out don't work a lot of the time (6.3-7.0.1): > > > > > > http://arswiki.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=10 > > > > > > Axton Grams > > > > > > On 3/16/07, ARSList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Thank you for the tips, suggestions and Definition files. > > > > > > > > However... > > > > > > > > I have not been able to get this to work as an AL on Window Close > > > > through the Mid-Tier (Servlet 5.0.13, Java 1.4.2_13) 6.03 Patch 20. > > > > > > > > I am using the Form Remedy Support, AL Run Process - > > > > PERFORM-ACTION-EXIT-APP Basically I copied the DEF file you > > > > supplied and manually entered the Buttons and AL with a common > > > > form. > > > > Then I moved the AL to the above information duplicating the > > "Logout" > > > > button from the form in the Remedy Support. I confirmed the Logout > > > > Button AL in the Remedy Support form does the same Run Process - > > > > PERFORM-ACTION-EXIT-APP. > > > > > > > > I think the Mid-Tier / Internet Explorer (IE) does not provide the > > > > feedback in the Mid-Tier before the IE actually closes. > > > > > > > > I am beginning to think I should use the Interval AL. But I am not > > > sure > > > > what the Interval means? Could it (as I hope, but doubt) mean the > > > > interval when there is no activity by the user? > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, if there is no activity by my user with the interval in > > > > 600 seconds, I want them to get logged out... right? > > > > (The trick) > > > > If there is activity (how do I monitor this) can I stop this > > interval? > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should use (the one I don't know anything about) are > > > > escalations? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Axton > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:31 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Freeing licenses > > > > > > > > Not if you explicitly end the session, it is supposed to be released > > > > > > immediately. Think of closing your user tool, that releases a > > > > floating license; why should the same not apply to the mid-tier. > > > > The logout servlet is supposed to do the same, but it doesn't some > > > > of the time. > > > > > > > > In all honesty, closing the browser should release the token, the > > > > same as the user tool does. It should just be built into the > > > > mid-tier. A lost session (i.e., logout or close browser) should > > > > release the license immediately (no exceptions), to stay true to the > > > > > > nature of the licenses as they are managed when using the user tool. > > > > > > In all honesty, I think that until the mid-tier behaves in that way, > > > > > > it is defective. > > > > > > > > Axton Grams > > > > > > > > On 3/13/07, Rocky Rockwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The last I heard license assigned to a user will stay with the > > > > > user > > > > for > > > > > a minimum of 1 hour (configured in the admin tool). This is the > > > least > > > > > about of time you can set. > > > > > > > > > > *Rocky* > > > > > > > > > > Rocky Rockwell > > > > > eMA Team - Remedy Developer > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Ph#1: 214-567-8874 > > > > > Ph#2: 325-884-1263 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wheeler, Dylan wrote: > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > So I'm running into a problem with my licenses. We don't quite > > > have > > > > > > enough so I've been playing around trying to get the licenses > > > freed > > > > up > > > > > > when I can. I'm finding that the licenses on my server are > > > sticking > > > > no > > > > > > matter what though and I'm not sure what's keeping them there. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I open IE and login then click the logout button on the Home > > > Page > > > > > > it should release the license right? The license is still > > > > > > showing > > > as > > > > > > taken 15 minutes later in my admin tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > I created an AL and put in the PERFORM-ACTION-EXIT-APP command, > > > > > > execute on window close and left the run if open, permissions > > > > > > are > > > > set > > > > > > to public. Closing the Home Page in the user tool will close out > > > the > > > > > > application, but the license is still active. 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