I think it boils down to "too many managers and marketing/sales people
and not enough talent."  Could be for a number of reasons: misaligned
priorities, issues with employee retention, corner cutting, etc.

Axton

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ** I dunno, Howard - that's kind of "out there".  Guess I'm showing my age
> or something, expecting stuff like testing, proper documentation, the
> software mfgr. practicing the methodologies it preaches, etc.  ;)  I guess I
> need to move ahead with the times.
>
> If you think that this is bad, I remember a CMDB 1.1 upgrade that had 3
> different copies of the SAME patch script (i.e. same patch name and #).
> Only a handful of people knew which was which, and not many more people even
> knew there were multiple copies.  If it hadn't been for that and some
> outstanding help from Support, I never would have gotten through that
> without having a psychotic episode.
>
> So things may be improving...?
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Howard Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> **
>> Rick,
>>
>> Are you saying that things should be tested before releasing and maybe
>> there needs to be more then one way to patch an application?
>>
>> Have a good day,
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/08, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> ** Ah, yes, good old SHARE:Application_Properties.  The bane of many a
>>> Remedy install script.  You'd think that since it only exists to keep track
>>> of the state of the system, largely for Remedy installation scripts, that
>>> they'd spend a bit more attention on making sure that the two worked better
>>> together before releasing a new patch.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 7:31 AM, Howard Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I just got this from Ben Healy. Looks like there is a bug in patch 007.
>>>>
>>>> Defect #SW00290729 - ITSM7 patch007 installer failed with "Internal
>>>> Error: Unable to build patch summary. Installation cannot continue". See
>>>> attached installer log.
>>>>
>>>> The problem can be caused if the SHARE:Application_Properties form does
>>>> not have Property Name = DataLanguage and / or Property Name =LanguagePacks
>>>> for each ITSM application.
>>>>
>>>> If either of the above are missing they will need to be created (see
>>>> attached SHARE_Application_Properties.zip for example) before re-running 
>>>> the
>>>> installation.
>>>>
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/08, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Seems like there should be some install logs somewhere that tell you
>>>>> something about the problem.  Anything there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Joe DeSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> You might want to check if you have enough space in the drive that
>>>>>> holds your system Temp folder.. From the sound of it, it may be a packing
>>>>>> list error - failure to build a packing list which happens if there isnt
>>>>>> enough space in the temp folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: Howard Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 12:24:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Issue installing itsm patch 7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Ouch, so it looks like that system will need to stay at patch 6,
>>>>>> unless someone has found a workaround.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the info,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/08, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** Is this one of those patches that is trying to validate its
>>>>>>> prereqs and such before actually installing anything?  I know that is a
>>>>>>> promised 7.5 function, and that they've been working in that direction 
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> in 7.x, but I don't know if they're there yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Rune Sorlid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got the same errormessage, only on VMWare Machines....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Rune Sorlid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2008/6/2 Howard Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> Good morning all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone seen the error "Unable to build patch summary" when
>>>>>>>>> runing itsm 7 patch 7?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if so any ideas on what could be going on?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The apps are at 7.0.3 patch 6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> --
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