Hi Ben,

I looked up the field and the workflow references using in ARInside.  Other
than in an open windows action the only place I found that sets a value for
Permission_Group_Enabled  (Id: 301507700) is the filter
CTM:DSG:CreateSupportGroup_790_PSGP`!.  This filter is for the data load
utility.  As far as I can tell there is no other workflow that will change
it from its default value of Yes.

Regarding re-caching when migrating groups (shameless plug for 3rd party
product to follow), I have used Meta-Update to copy about 200 groups from
test to production without issue.  However there was no user load on the
system as well as I suppressed workflow to migrated straight from
core/foundation form to core/foundation form and workflow mentioned in this
thread was not being triggered.

Jason

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ben Chernys <
[email protected]> wrote:

> **
>
> Thanks Anne
>
>
>
> That’s interesting.  Perhaps when something is assigned to an “External
> group”  - there’s an enum value for that on the support group form, then
> that group’s permission is added to the record?  (and what about the
> relevant related records?).  Perhaps also all groups are added to the
> individual records and the users of the support group have only that support
> group permission and not the company permissions (makes more sense from a
> coding perspective but not a data maintenance perspective).
>
>
>
> Makes data migration even more interesting than it has been, eh?  But no
> worries there, just slower performance!
>
>
>
> In any event, it is creating a real group for ALL support groups not just
> external ones (perhaps a bug – I am not running the latest patch /
> version).  The re-caching (I was adding hundreds of support groups quite
> fast) brought down the server on a protection exception – again not the best
> patch level.
>
>
>
> Could you point out where some of this is documented?  I looked in the ITSM
> 7.6.03 Config Guide and that was certainly missing there.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ramey, Anne
> *Sent:* October-27-10 16:29
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Possibly spam: ITSM 7.6 Changes: Support Group implies
> Permission Group
>
>
>
> **
>
> I don’t know for sure, but I know row level permissions have gotten a
> little more complex to allow for the new vendor support groups
> functions/permissions.  This is probably a part of that new model of
> allowing support groups as well as companies to have row level permissions
> for a record.
>
>
>
> Anne Ramey
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> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ben Chernys
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:48 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Possibly spam: ITSM 7.6 Changes: Support Group implies
> Permission Group
>
>
>
> **
>
> In ITSM 7.6 (and not in previous versions) the CTM:Permission Group table
> has an enum to control the creation of a real permission Group (in ARS Group
> table).  By default this is set to true.  The GUI does not display the field
> and so if you manually add a support group, you get a permission group.
>
>
>
> Of-course, this is NOT documented in the ITSM config guides.
>
>
>
> Anyone now why this is so and what the permission group might be used for?
> **
>
>
>
> Ben Chernys
>
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