Yeah, I was just noting I have seen soapUI automatically includes "junk"
data in the form of a question mark.

Did you get any further on this?

Are you specifying the element in the WS call where you want the default to
apply?  For example if you specify

<element2></element2>

Do you want the AR default for element2 to be applied?

It kind of makes sense that specifying an empty value doesn't automatically
apply the default.  You said it the value is empty so AR will respect that.

Now that the element is set to MinOccurs 0 you can drop it from the WS call
which I believe will no longer tell AR to keep an empty (not sure if it is
technically empty or null).

So instead of:

<element1>This is my element1</element1>
<element2></element2>
<element3>This is my element3</element3>


Try:

<element1>This is my element1</element1>
<element3>I am no longer sending an empty sting for element2</element3>


If element2 has a default in AR does it get applied?  I maybe completely
wrong but it works in my head :)

Jason


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Joe D'Souza <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
>
> ** **
>
> Hey Jason,****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks. Tried it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Taking it off and setting the MinOccurs to 0 doesn’t still pick up the
> default from the AR Server but returns a 500 error. So I’m stuck with
> having to define it as a DefaultValue in the WSDL or setting it in the
> Request envelope.****
>
> ** **
>
> Joe****
>
> ** **
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jason Miller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:16 PM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." while
> consuming a AR System published web service.. <<<RESOLVED>>
> ****
>
>  ** **
>
> ** ****
>
> I have seen the same thing with soapUI.  I just go through and remove
> the question marks between the tags.****
>
> ** **
>
> Jason****
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Joe D'Souza <[email protected]> wrote:***
> *
>
> Yes I am using soapUI. I thought that ? indicates no value.
>
> If however you leave ? for drop lists, the WSDL plugin does use the field 
> default
> if it’s a required field in the ARS.
>
> I tried the element with <element></element> and got the 500 error. Would that
> error go away if I changed the minoccurs on required character fields to
> 0 and define defaults to all those required character fields?
>
> I'm hoping it will..
>
> I'll try that as a test to see..****
>
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W****
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." While 
> consuming
> a AR System published web service.. <<<RESOLVED>>
>
>
> Required  (In XML  minOccurrs = "1") means it has to have a value.  All the 
> MidTier
> does for required (I think) is validate that the element has data. I
> think all type checking and actual data validation is from the AR Server
> processes.
>
> For the ? issue,  are you talking about what you see in soapUI?    It is 
> soapUI
> that puts in the ? for each field not the MidTier server.  If you consume
> the WSDL with some other SOAP client you shouldn't see the ? in the fields.
>  If you pass in ? in the field then you are passing in a valid character
> and the XML is satisfied.
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:09 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." While 
> consuming
> a AR System published web service.. <<<RESOLVED>>
>
> **
>
> Fred!
>
> You were bang on your buck there! It did turn out that the WSDL plugin barfed
> at the bad date and date time format. I didn't turn on any further logging
> but went on to correct the date format as per the standards documented at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#dateTime. So I corrected the regular
> Remedy like string of 01/22/2013 10:22:00 AM that I was sending to confirm
> the WSDL standard => 2013-01-22T10:22:00-09:00 for the Alaskan time zone,
> and the request went right through and created a Remedy record!
>
> I however do not like the way the WSDL plugin handles default values
> defined to Character fields that are required. It saves "?" to the field
> if you send <element>?</element> with the envelop. While it works perfect
> for defaults on drop down fields if the value for the drop down fields is
> left at <element>?</element>. Is that a known issue too? It should have
> treated the question mark as null but it takes it literally and commits
> the "?" as a value to that character field. Is this a possible bug??
>
> I have tried <element></element> for required field and I get the 500 error so
> obviously it either requires me to put a value or at least leave the "?" in
> there. But leaving the "?" in there takes it as the literal value and does
> not replace it with the default in case of Character fields. I have not tried
> this with integer or real or decimal data types that are required but I'm
> expecting that to work correctly as the drop downs (which are integers) work
> correctly.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe D'Souza [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:59 AM
> To: ARS Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." While 
> consuming
> a AR System published web service..
>
>
> Fred,
>
> You might have something here, and if this turns out to be the cause, then the
> error reporting is not accurate. I'll try this tomorrow.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." While 
> consuming
> a AR System published web service..
>
> What is your Logging set for in the MidTier Web server?
>
> Log Level: Fine
> Log Viewer: File
> Log Format:  Detailed Text
> Categories:  Set All On
>
> You may be encountering an old bug I had found where an invalid date format 
> will
> cause an internal error and a restart
>
> 1/18/2013 12:00:00 PM  Should be invalid and error as it is not in the
> valid XML DateTime format    http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#dateTime
>
> Fred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:40 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Possible reasons for "500 - Internal server error." While 
> consuming
> a AR System published web service..
>
> **
> Yes I agree the date time format used in SOAP is a little different than
> the one I sent with my request, but the error I'm getting is not because
> of that. It's a communication error. Once I am past the communication
> error, then I could go further.
>
> A colleague tried consuming a WS to see if we can at least consume, and
> that we can with no problems. For some reason there is a problem
> publishing. I will need to look at this on Monday when I get back, and
> may use your def as a test to see if that works since you have already
> tested it to be working.
>
> Thanks for your help. Appreciate you going out of your way to create a POC 
> (proof
> of concept) that I could borrow to test. Something tells me it might possibly
> be a firewall issue although I did check to see if there is anything
> there. I'm not a security expert so I must have missed something when I
> checked the settings..
>
> Joe****
>
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