This isn't your best day on this list.  First I catch you and Skip 
in no uncertain tems telling people who disagree with you not to 
post here, and despite that being in writing, you then deny that's 
what you meant, when in fact its exactly what you wrote. 

As of for the Boardwalk - it was Fishman that built it.  The fact 
that the City paid for it with financing from Fishman by a credit 
against the sale of buildings means he not only did the actual 
building, he temorarily paid for it.  I'm not sure how you fail to 
put this in the category of something "Fishman did" when there was 
no one else but Fishman involved.  Actually I can understand - you 
dislike him so much you refuse to credit him anything.

As for the materials used, blame your liberal envormental tree-
hugger friends.  The last time a portion of the boardwalk was built 
stronger wood was used, but there was a frenzy over the wood being 
from the rain-forest.  The new material used was used to appease 
them.

Now, aren't you glad I explained the boardwalk to you?

As for the condos, Fishman is the developer.  He is the guy with the 
contract with the City to get them built.  The fact that he uses sub-
developers for the construction of certain sites makes him no less 
the developer.  He is the one that got the approval process through 
the many levels of governement, which as I prey you know, is a 
function of land development.

The sub-deveolpers contract out further to other subcontractors.  Do 
you think Hovnanian is out there banging nails himself?  So where do 
you artificially draw the line at who gets to be called "a 
developer?"  Is it the youngest, newest carpenter if he does the 
most manual labor? Of course not.

Truth is Larry is the developer,who contracts out to others, who 
will in turn contract out to more others, and so on.  Larry is the 
guy ultimately with the contract with the City and approvals from 
CAFRA, so it is appropriate to call him the developer - he has the 
contractual responsibility to get it done.  You won't credit him 
because you dislike him so.




--- In [email protected], "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "bluebishop82" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Did you miss the new boardwalk and condominiums being built at 
the 
> > beach?
> > 
> No. The boardwalk was paid for by the city with credits against 
the 
> cost from the purchase of our waterfront buildings. I look at the 
> boardwalk very closely and see that we had the foresight to use 2 
X 6 
> southern pine instead of a more lasting wood, as most boardwalks 
are, 
> including ours just south of CH. In fact, if you compare that 
section 
> with the yellow pine section, you will notice that the letter 
secton 
> built by Asbury Partners is splitting in most areas. The other 
secton 
> (ipe wood?) is not splitting and I suggest that we are going to 
have to 
> be replaing boards on the other section on a regular basis. Also, 
don't 
> you think it was great business practice to let Asbury partners 
build 
> it and allowing them NOT to put it out to bid? I don't think so, 
and 
> since our property sales were being charged off against it, who 
knows 
> what it really cost. If you wanted a boardwalk, you should bid it 
out, 
> then get the money from Asbury Partners whether you decide for 
them to 
> build it or someone else.
> 
> Aren't you glad you asked about the boardwalk?
> 
> As to Asbury Partner buildings condos on the beach or anywhere in 
AP 
> for that matter, if you can find any, I will marry Larry Fishman, 
and 
> remember, I am a straight white male. Asbury Partners is not 
building 
> condos, subdevelopers (insert real in place of sub) are. Larry is 
just 
> banking the land and turning a tidy profit.




 
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