Um...why do you people keep hijacking the topic?
Jack
--- In [email protected], "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Steve - I am going to sound as much like a broken record as you.
> Please provide the sources for your assorted claims and statistics. I
> am very interested in reading them to see if you are applying them
> properly.
>
> Tom
>
> --- In [email protected], "Steve" <asburysteve2001@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Allan,
> >
> > No Condo in Asbury Park is worth $1 Million, nor will any be for
> > probably a decade, or more!
> >
> > As far as the Crime goes, it's 3 Times worse now than it was in 2000,
> > Before the Redevelopment Began! Until these Clowns who think destroying
> > the lives of 10,000 Local Minorities to get themselves Rich REALIZE that
> > they're CAUSING the Crime, Reality won't set in!
> >
> > I've just been in Asbury Park since 1996, but there's been a BIG change
> > in just the past 4 Years! I've never seen so much unrest in Minority
> > Communities since the late 1960's and early 1970's! The "Community" as
> > it's been referred to generally, which more accurately would be called
> > the "Old" or Past or previously existing Community has NEVER, to this
> > day, been invited "To the Table" with the Redevelopers ... To discuss
> > how they can partake in the benefits of the Redevelopment!
> >
> > And since they consist of 78% of the Population, to them the
> > Redevelopment is NOT a redevelopment, but an Invasion by the Rich! And
> > it IS! People who have lived here from 20 Years to over three or four
> > generations are expected to now just get up and Disappear ....
> > Peacefully, so that strangers who weren't even HERE 5 years ago can come
> > in and get Rich in 3-4 Years!
> >
> > Yes, there's Crime! More importantly, the biggest Criminals ARE the
> > Redevelopers, who are breaking Every Law that God has given us about
> > caring for our fellow Man (And Women & Children). They are just
> > intentionally forcing OUT the Afro-Americans, of which about 2,000 are
> > already gone! And it's being done because People on the City Council,
> > School Board and Planning Board are placed BY the Redevelopers! Money
> > does it! And cheating and rigging Elections!
> >
> > But just wait until the Condo Owners start to move in, and a few of them
> > are Shot! Wow, all of a sudden, the Values may drop overnight on the
> > Condo Values! Wanna make a bet?
> >
> > The way this Redevelopment SHOULD have gone was that they should build
> > ALL 3,100 Condos in three tier price ranging: Low Income, Moderate
> > Income and the ones they're building .. High Income!
> >
> > As I mentioned many other times, we need (The City):
> >
> > 1. Rent Control
> > 2. Affordable Housing (Three Tier)
> > 3. Living Wage Jobs & a Program to Attract Jobs and Train
> > People
> >
> > WHY is there so much Crime? Below are many of the Reasons, which
> > combined, add up to creating a boiling point crisis for Asbury
> > Residents:
> >
> > Redevelopment Created Problems:
> >
> > * The Redevelopment is designed to Gentrify the Population on
> > Purpose. Two Groups of People came here from Lakewood and NYC to carry
> > out the plans. Afro-Americans are the highest level of targeted
> > People for them to get out of the City at any cost!
> > * A Totally Dysfunctional City Hall, where the same People who
> > are supposed to be helping the Minorities have sold out, and are
> > stacking the odds against them, rather than helping them. Plus a
> > new City Manager and his Team who were brought in to Service the
> > Redeveloper as their primary responsibility, whether or not the
> > City OR it's Residents gain from the results.
> > * No Rent Control Passed to protect existing Residents (By City
> > Council)
> > * NO Affordable Housing at ALL in Redevelopment Plan or
> Contract
> > * Master Redeveloper in Default of Contract by NOT hiring
> 20% of
> > Asbury Park Workers and Contractors as promised for Construction
> > Jobs.
> > * Redevelopment caused a Crime Rate Increase for the past four
> > years, due to NO Provisions to help or protect Low Income
> > Residents, which caused tensions to rise, and resulted in desperate
> > people doing desperate things, and placed the entire City at Unrest!
> >
> > Pre-Existing Problems:
> >
> > 1. A Population of about 8-10,000 under-educated Minority
> > People, many of them with no High School Diploma.
> > 2. One of the largest concentrations of Dysfunctional Families
> > with mostly no Fathers present.
> > 3. A Group of Religious Leaders who are out for their OWN
> > Congregant's needs only, or their OWN personal gains. Most don't
> > care about the general population, or don't do anything.
> > 4. No Existing large Organizational Tenants Rights Group or
> > Citizens Group to Organize requests for inclusion in Redevelopment
> > Plans & Benefits.
> > 5. Poor Educational System with few exceptions.
> > 6. No City Community Center.
> > 7. No City Youth Center.
> > 8. West Side Community Center is under funded, partly
> due
> > to misallocation of Community Development Block Grants by the City.
> > 9. Severe lack of well paying Jobs available for Residents.
> > 10. Racial Prejudice is alive and kicking both in the Private
> > Sector, as well as throughout City Hall and the School System.
> > So, Allan, chew on those things for a while, OK? You'll most likely
> > disagree with me like the selfish Yuppie Raiders that have dropped into
> > the City in recent years, but, it's your right, even if you're wrong!
> >
> > Bottom line is that the situation is getting worse, not better, as time
> > goes on! When you hold an entire Community hostage for years while
> > you're planning to evict them, what must you and I expect, anyway?
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > W
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Allan Peterson <nnjallans1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Where else can you get all this and now have to pay 400 to over a
> > million for a home.
> > >
> > > Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Greetings,
> > > I'm writing this in response to the ongoing fight on this message
> > board pertaining to
> > > racism, minimum wage and the entire Asburysteve thread.
> > > I recently moved to Asbury, and when I told my many friends that I was
> > doing so, they all
> > > had the same reaction..."Asbury, ew. It's dangerous there" or "Asbury,
> > you mean that town
> > > on the shore that has all that crime"
> > > I was even apprenhensive to move here. A week after I signed my lease,
> > I took a drive to
> > > visit my soon to be home, and had a drug dealer try and flag me down
> > near the
> > > Golddigger, and immediately after I got approached by a prostitute
> > because she figured I
> > > pulled over for her, not because I wanted to check out my new home.
> > > In any case, I love living in Asbury. Asbury has been a part of my
> > life for as long as I can
> > > remember. But unfortunately, the good memories are mingled with the
> > bad...tales of
> > > friends being attacked outside of the Stone Pony one night, having one
> > of my beloved
> > > bicycles stolen, only to be spotted outside a crack den in Asbury. I'm
> > sure we all have such
> > > tales of woe.
> > > Since moving to Asbury, I've gotten to see the political in-fighting
> > that doesn't seem to be
> > > making much progress. I've seen people doing crack in broad daylight
> > in the beautiful
> > > Library Square Park. I've been yelled at in that park while walking my
> > dog because some
> > > guy thought I was looking at him (he yelled some pretty ugly racial
> > things at me, then
> > > yelled "what's the matter, you don't want a black man in your white
> > assed park") I have
> > > liquor bottles and other debris on my lawn practically every morning.
> > My neighborhood is
> > > filled with the same 3 or 4 prostitututes daily, and the accompanying
> > cars that troll around
> > > in search of them.
> > > What's going to happen when the new people that AP is trying to
> > attract wind up here?
> > > I think there's quite a bit of good going on in AP right now, but
> > unfortunately that is being
> > > overshadowed by the bad. On one hand, we have the amazing Market in
> > the Middle and
> > > it's little group of flourishing restaraunts, on the other hand we
> > have 3 people shot and
> > > one killed just a few blocks away from where I live.
> > > It seems to me that most of the problems in AP are drug related. AP
> > has been known for
> > > decades to be a place to score drugs. The prostitutes are all drug
> > addicts, and the dealers
> > > supply them. It's a vicious cycle.
> > > Asbury is also plagued with racial seperation and racial stereotyping,
> > which is fueled by
> > > things like last weeks murder, and the weekly stories that appear in
> > local newspapers
> > > police blotters.
> > > I hope Asbury doesn't suffer a similar fate to Atlantic City, where
> > they have a 2 block wide
> > > strip of prosperity bordering on a wasteland.
> > > I don't know what the answers are, but I believe that Asbury needs to
> > unite the east and
> > > west, and both sides need to fight the sleezy and dangerous parts of
> > Asbury that give us
> > > the horrible reputation that we have.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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