In reference to this  profound analysist: 

Stalin - Hitler - Mao. About 20 million  dead thanks to the 3 non-religious 
guys. I'll take the believers as leaders  any day.

 

And then there were those deeply "religious" countries Germany and Italy to  
name the most familiar examples of Christian countries that had no problem  
cozying up, quite comfortably,  with fascism:  Hitler, Mussolini.  et al.
 
The folks who conducted the Salem witch trials were very religious.   And the 
folks who hounded Galileo?
 
The inquisition? All heavy-duty believers.
 
And the folks who see Jesus or Mary in Dunkin' Donuts?
 
And the puritans who beheaded a King;  they could only lead for 12  years 
before they were booted out.
 
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Beware the self-proclaimed political theorists who provide information "a  
mile wide, and an inch shallow."
 
Sometimes they're merely cherry-picking ideologues.

========Original Message========
Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Justified Right  Date: 3/7/2007 9:30:38 P.M. Eastern 
Standard Time  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Jack if it is fair to bring up examples of religious people you 
think  have failed, then I suppose it is fair for me to bring to your 
attention  three non-religious, Secular Humanist/Darwinists of the 
20th  Century:

Stalin - Hitler - Mao.

About 20 million dead thanks to  the 3 non-religious guys.

I'll take the believers as leaders any  day.

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ,  
"Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't want to change  the fact that I "live in a religious 
country"
> I just don't want it  affecting my life. 
> As for America being very religious, perhaps it is,  but I think 
that
> in many regards, America's religious establishments  have made a
> mockery of themselves. Take all the priest sex scandals?  What about
> people like GW who's very religious, but he's lied to the  public 
on a
> number of occasions (although maybe he was just relaying  info he
> thought was true). Before and during the war, GW has brought God  
into
> nearly every speech he's done, yet because of his misguided  war, 
3100
> plus US soldiers, and countless Iraqi's have died. What  about the 
Abu
> Grabe abuse? What "god" would let that happen? What  about the anti
> abortion religious kooks who think it's ok to blow up  clinics and 
harm
> innocent people?
> As far as i'm concerned,  religion is not a fact. I'd be happy to
> change that opinion if somebody  could provide me with absolute 
proof,
> but I don't see that happening  anytime soon
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ,  
"justifiedright"
> <justifiedright@> wrote:
>  >
> > The point is you are living in a religious country. You want  to 
> > change that, and that's your right to try. However, you have no  
> > right to stop me from pointing out that your prior posts seemed  
to 
> > ignore history and law.
> > 
> > America  is a very religious country.
> > 
> > You feel religion plays  to big a role in our governing. I say 
its 
> > too small.
>  > 
> > To each our own.
> > 
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) , 
 "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is your  point that because i'm in the minority when it comes to
> > >  religion, my views are any less important? Is your point that 
I 
>  > just
> > > have to accept the fact that religious influence on  issue's in 
our
> > > country are correct? I think the religious  influence is way 
out of
> > > control. I really don't think it  has any place in the 
governing of 
> > our
> > >  country. 
> > > 
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) 
,  "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  And? What's your point?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[email protected]) ,  "justifiedright"
> > > > <justifiedright@>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You may not be  religious, but your country is.
> > > > > 
> > >  > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[email protected]) ,  "Hinge" <hinge98@> 
wrote:
> > > > > >
>  > > > > > You are partially right;
> > > > >  > "The first amendment to the US Constitution 
states "Congress 
>  > shall 
> > > > > make no law 
> > > > >  > respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting 
the 
>  > free 
> > > > > exercise thereof". Both 
> >  > > > > these clauses, known as the "establishment clause" and  
> > the "free 
> > > > > exercise clause" 
>  > > > > > respectively, are significant. To give perspective,  
there 
> > was a 
> > > > > great conservation of  
> > > > > > language in the Bill of Rights; the intention  was to 
avoid 
> > > > > creating loopholes, while still  
> > > > > > providing a buffer between the Legislature and  the most 
> > basic 
> > > > > rights of the people.  It is 
> > > > > > significant, then, that there are two  clauses where one 
> > would 
> > > > > suffice, were  the intention 
> > > > > > only to prevent respect for a  religious establishment or 
> > only to 
> > > > >  protect free exercise."
> > > > > > Even though i'm a  non-believer, I respect people that 
do. I 
> > just 
> >  > > > feel that religion is playing 
> > > > > >  way to big a role in our countries politics. That role 
is 
> >  making 
> > > > > an assumption that religion 
> >  > > > > is "fact" and that we are all religious.
> > >  > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[email protected]) ,  "justifiedright" 
> > > > > <justifiedright@>  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >  > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[email protected]) ,  "Hinge" <hinge98@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >  > 
> > > > > > > > But it's in the  Constitution.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > >  > > No it isn't.
> > > > > > > 
> > >  > > > > 
> > > > > > > >In my opinion, my  rights are being violated every 
single 
> > time 
> > >  > > that 
> > > > > > > > religion has an  influence in the decisions made in 
our 
> > country.
> >  > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So I should be  forced to denounce my religion before 
> > entering a 
> >  > > > voting 
> > > > > > > booth?
> >  > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > >
>  >
>


   
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