I know Tommy is frustrating sometimes, but look at his position as if you just met the guy. Don't think about what he's "always" doing. Look at it with beginners mind.
If you are against Columbus Day and and for Kwanzaa, you've got some things to reconcile. And you are probably a guilt laden whitish person. They are both cultural and both have some hard meaning and soft myth woven into them. Columbus didn't discover america and he was a brute. yet the day has held importance for a long time in this country. what if columbus is merely a symbol of each of our own "discovery" of America? Kwanzaa is a relatively recent celebration of a diverse culture and country that has suffered greatly (and is still..the rabid investment in that place scares me). More importantly, there are so many in this community that are intimately connected to African culture. It seems perfect that these two exist together. They both have validity. it seems the fairest thing to do is treat them equally from the city point of view and let the communities decide their importance with personal and/or commercial support. thats the question, how does the city treat them? but tommy's got a point with the columbus day bashers. and i have been one of them. --- In [email protected], "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Newbie and AsburyCouple, > > By Strawman you two are alleging that I have misstated Mario's > position. > > The sure test of that is for Mario to state it to see if it is > different than I said. > > You two however, having thrown the allegation at me, are then > asserting you know his position. > > So prove yourself right. > > State Mario's position. Compare and contrast to what I said it was to > show how what I said is different. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "asburycouple" <asburycouple@> > wrote: > > > > Those kind of "tactics" in his arguments is why for the most part > > I've stopped getting into political discussions with Tom on the > > board. It just gets old... > > > > Unfortunate, because stepping past the BS I believe he has much to > > add... > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], MarioAPNJ@ wrote: > > > > > > Observe below. The tactic of introducing words never > > uttered: "clam up" > > > and "insists." > > > > > > The "Straw Man" technique. > > > > > > Another apple of discord from the Temple of Eris. > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 9:41:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > justifiedright@ writes: > > > > > > Hey Newb, > > > > > > Tell me how you define "stirring the pot" and "discussing an > > issue." > > > > > > You are a person with a lot to say. Don't clam up because Mario > > > insists you do. > > > > > > > > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes > and > > all other > > > Holiday needs. Search Now. > > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? > > redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > > > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
