On 9/24/10 Sep 24 -6:08 PM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > Robert Goldman <[email protected]> > writes: > >> On 9/24/10 Sep 24 -9:26 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: >>> Robert Goldman <[email protected]> >>> writes: >>> >>>> On 9/24/10 Sep 24 -9:07 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: >>>>> Robert Goldman <[email protected]> >>>>> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/24/10 Sep 24 -3:49 AM, Juan Jose Garcia-Ripoll wrote: >> >> .... >> >>>>>>> 2- Lack *-user mailing list and need of subscription for questions. Is >>>>>>> there a sufficiently large comunity here and do we want to open the >>>>>>> list? >>>>>> >>>>>> With all due respect, opening a list is pretty much never a good idea. >>>>>> It's just asking for spam. Per my response to the above complainer, I >>>>>> think it would be great if there was a help web site that >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Allowed OpenID login --- no need for new accounts >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Served up questions to the interested through email digest and RSS. >>>>>> As a potential question-answerer, I don't have time to log in to such a >>>>>> web site. I would need to have the questions pushed at me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there any such existing software that we could adopt? >>>>> >>>>> I'm using gmane, and the overhead to subscribe is really minimal: just >>>>> reply to a message gmane sends back the first time you post... >>>> >>>> So should we just set up an asdf-help mailing list? >>> >>> For me it would be an easy and good enough solution, yes. >> >> What's the protocol for potential help providers? How do we scan an >> asdf-help group of this type without (1) further clogging our inboxes; >> (2) having to explicitly visit a web site? > > gmane is a nntp server. > > >> Is there, e.g., an RSS-based solution so that we might, for example, >> glance over recent requests for help while scanning our blog >> subscriptions in Google Reader? > > There's also http://gwene.org/ to pull back rss to nntp... > > So you only need gnus to read those message. > > But I object to rss for two reasons: > > 1- often the message is not complete, you only get the beginning and you > have to go to the web to read the rest. > > 2- there's no way to answer. At least, with gmane, there's an > nntp-to-email back gateway. >
Yes, but the advantage of rss is that one can easily scan a large set of things in a single glance in a tool that one runs anyway. I glance at Google Reader at least once a day. I never run gnus, and I have one newsreader window in Thunderbird that I never look at, but am too lazy to delete. This may not matter --- I may be atypical in this --- but I have completely given up on nntp. The only thing broken worse than email on the internet is news ;-) On the other hand, I can see the advantages to myself of an asdf-help mailing list that I have a good excuse never to look at .... ;-) Maybe we should take a straw poll on this mailing list to see what forms of asdf-help delivery would be most likely to get attention from people who are most likely to read. A second question is: is this really necessary for any reason other than making Didier happy, which seems unlikely in any case? What is broken about having people post questions to asdf-devel? Didier's objection to asdf-devel is that he didn't want to sign up for the mailing list. Why would it make him any happier to sign up for asdf-help instead of asdf-devel? >From the standpoint of a user who sometimes wants help, I would think the best choice would be something forum like, where I could sign in using OpenID, so I didn't need a new account and password. I just looked at StackOverflow, and there is an asdf tag there, and one can get updates to that tag using RSS. That forum seems to meet Didier's needs --- no new account, no mailing list signup, and all of mine. This URL seems to work: http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag?tagnames=asdf&sort=hot What about making this the official support channel? If that's agreeable, we could list it, as well as the launchpad, in the manual. best, r _______________________________________________ asdf-devel mailing list [email protected] http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/asdf-devel
