On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Faré <fah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Robert, > > I pushed my changes to your build-op branch. Easier than mailing patches. > >>> Well, ASDF itself has long been described as a build system or build tool >>> (including in our ILC 2010 article), just like make, ant, etc. >>> See also Wikipedia pages for each of these. >>> What do these programs do? They build. >>> I don't love the word, but I don't know a better one. >> >> I get it, but now ASDF does more than one kind of build, including some >> things (with the bundle-op) that look a lot more like what 'make' does >> than what ASDF has done up to now. >> > Indeed. On the other hand, you just acknowledged that all these things > are a kind of "build". > >> Up to now, there's been no real need to distinguish between "build" and >> "load", but now there are things that look like a conventional C program >> build, rather than like what DEFSYSTEM did before. >> > Hence my recommending making load-system not the main interface anymore, > but build. Loading is just the common case for CL systems. > >> Let's not rush into this: as Attila has pointed out, whatever we choose, >> we'll have to live with for a long while. >> > There's no rush, but I'd really like it as part of ASDF 3.1.1, > and I'm really hoping for a release this month. > >> Unfortunately, I think both DO and LOAD are non-starters because of the >> pain they would impose on anyone who wants to USE-PACKAGE ASDF. >> > Of course, I only suggested the former as a joke. > Although UIOP provides the :MIX option to DEFINE-PACKAGE > that nicely deals with all these conflicts. > >> What about something bland like "start"? Or we could get all Star Trek >> and use "make it so" ;-) >> > I think this is even more misleading than "build". > It feels like you are starting a program. > "make" could do it. > Note that if we rename it make, it would also be nice to rename build-op to make-op before anyone uses it. We should also rename :build-operation to :make-operation or :make-op or :make, and just have some #-asdf3.1 in asdf.asd to cope with upgrade from the one and only current client of it, i.e. current versions of asdf3.
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