Ramnivas,

Thanks for the feedback.

Actually, I've been thinking of removing that "limited AJ support" message -
not because it's not limited, but because the message gets in the way and
isn't helpful. We have looked into code completion quite a bit over the last
18 months, but no improvements have gone in because they require better
parser recovery in the AspectJ parser, which in turn probably requires a
compiler upgrade. The main code completion omission I'm aware of is for
pointcuts - anything else?

AOSGi could definitely help with editor associations. We have an open
request with the platform for this (bug 143895), but there hasn't been much
activity on it.

Refactoring is a complex topic, but there is good support in eclipse for
participating and implementing refactorings.

--Matt

On 13/12/06, Ramnivas Laddad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Matt,

Code completion that matches AJDT will the biggest improvement. Ideally,
"Note - limited AspectJ support" should just be not needed.

I also use a lot of static nested aspect (for the participant pattern as
well as various refactorings). The dichotomy between .java and .aj (and the
associated decision to choose the right kind of editor) is something that
trumps me all the time. Choosing either kind of editor has its drawbacks (to
a lesser degree, the same thing applies even for just pure Java file for
static crosscutting constructs affecting a Java type). Therefore, having the
AspectJ editor behave as a strict superset of the Java editor will help a
lot here.

Then there are small things such as Ctrl+Shift+T vs. Alt+Shift+A...
something that eventually one gets used to, but never quite.

Of course, various refactorings (such as "Extract method") aren't
available with the aspects. Supporting refactoring in aspects on par with
that of Java will make life very easy.

So the hope with AOSGi kind of approach is that AJDT becomes a superset of
JDT.

-Ramnivas


On 12/12/06, Matt Chapman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ramnivas,
>
> It would be interesting to hear (from you and anyone else of course)
> what JDT functionality you miss most in AJDT. This would help us prioritise
> new feature work, and then we can determine which ones could be implemented
> in this way.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matt.
>
> On 12/12/06, Matthew Webster < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ramnivas,
> >
> > I certainly think we can start looking at jdt.ui to improve the user
> > experience by creating the extension points we need e.g. Open Type,
> > search, code completion, .... There are a number of  AJDT enhancements that
> > are stalled because of lack of extensibility in JDT, Workbench or UI. The
> > core compiler is a tougher nut to crack but fortunately less obvious to to
> > the user except perhaps when it comes to mixed mult-project incremental
> > compilation.
> >
> > Matthew Webster
> > AOSD Project
> > Java Technology Centre, MP146
> > IBM Hursley Park, Winchester,  SO21 2JN, England
> > Telephone: +44 196 2816139 (external) 246139 (internal)
> > Email: Matthew Webster/UK/IBM @ IBMGB, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
http://w3.hursley.ibm.com/~websterm/<http://w3.hursley.ibm.com/%7Ewebsterm/%02>
> >
> >
> >  *Ramnivas Laddad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > 11/12/2006 19:37  Please respond to
> > [email protected]
> >
> >   To
> > [email protected]  cc
> >
> >  Subject
> > Re: [aspectj-users] Aspects Equinox Incubator 1.0.1 Released
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wonderful!
> >
> > Does this mean that someday AJDT will become a AOSGi bundle that
> > weaves into JDT? It seems that such a bundle can pass through all the
> > functionality of JDT to aspects developers and augment aspect-related
> > functionality through weaving. I imagine that the same approach can enable a
> > powerful way to create plugins for other languages in Eclipse (Groovy, for
> > example).
> >
> > -Ramnivas
> >
> > Matthew Webster wrote:
> >
> > We are pleased to announce the release of AOSGi 1.0.1. Please see the
> > home page for details of how to download an use it:
> > *
> > **http://www.eclipse.org/equinox/incubator/aspects/ 
*<http://www.eclipse.org/equinox/incubator/aspects/>
> >
> > AOSGi is an Equinox framework extension and a bundle that presents the
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> > weaving of aspects packaged in bundles. It's also a programming model for
> > developing new applications or extending existing ones that are deployed on
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> >
> > The Aspects Incubator Team
> >
> > Matthew Webster
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