Can I suggest one way out oif this duel? Mayur-please rewrite your Strengths and weaknesses and post Allwill be forgotten and we can enjoy a fresh game of words mm
>From: mayur bora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: HIRANYA NATH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Loken Das ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Assam Organisation <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Assam] ASSAMESE - STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:03:20 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Mahanta da > >I wish you were my guardian in life. I would have >benefitted immensely. But in the proess, I could have >created havoc in my neighbourhhood and may be in >society too. Why I am saying so ? Since you don't >believe in any benchmark which is subjective, I could >have done anything immoral or unethical. Had someone >complained about my mischiefs, I am sure you would >have said the same thing which you are trying hard to >put forth. I am really unlucky or should I say lucky. > >A balanced individual is one who not only condemns >1984 sikh riots or Gujarat riots but also what >happened in Nellie in 1983. Unfortunately, that has >dubious distinction of bloodiest carnage of >independent India. One should not be so blatantly >choosy in picking up example to justify one's point. > >I told you before also that all right thinking >Assamese should try to demolish the miconceptions >about the state or the people before everyone, be it >Punjabi, Haryanvi, German or Italian as and when such >opportunity comes. But at the same time, nowhere did I >say that it should be the be all and end all of our >life. The perception of the general Punjabis is wrong. >I am trying in my own humble way to dispel those >myths. But I am sure you would see some vested >interest in that effort of mine. Because it is >becoming increasingly clear to me now that you can not >analyse any divergent point of view (which is not in >consonance with that of yours) in an objective way. >Alas that is from a person who does not believe in >subjective benchmark. > >One request Mahanta da. This is not a personal attack >on you. The attack is only on your point of view. >Looking forward to your reply. > >Bye for now. > >Mayur >Chandigarh > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mayur: > > > > > But to find out my kindness or cruelty, you > > >have to capitalise on abstract yardstick. > > > > > > > > **** I knew that all too well. It is highly > > subjective. And that is > > exactly why it is not a reliable benchmark. > > > > When you attempt to compare Assamese ethnic > > qualities with say, > > Haryanese, the result would be dependent on YOUR > > perceptions of the > > people of Haryana, which you have formed over > > whatever period you > > lived in Chandigarh. Would it be therefore a > > reliable assessment? > > Heck no! Not by a long shot. You just demonstrated > > in the other post > > how you assessed the 'sentimental', 'not > > logical/rational' quality of > > the Oxomiya from one assessment of a group of > > rioters, even though > > you lived in Assam and grew up there, and thus could > > be expected to > > be more thoughtful and perceptive in your > > assessments. > > > > > > If I used your method to judge the people of > > Haryana, considering > > the 1984 Sikh pogroms or last month's incineration > > of sixty 'dalit' > > houses; I would call them nothing less than > > genocidal maniacs that do > > not deserve to be called human. And worse still the > > Gujaratis based > > on the post Godhra massacres. > > > > But would that be correct? > > > > That is why I asked you whether you thought the > > perception of > > Punjabis in Chandigarh about Assam as a land full of > > violent and > > murderous people a fair or correct one and the > > related questions. I > > still await you answer. > > > > Take care, > > > > cm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:07 AM -0700 9/18/05, mayur bora wrote: > > >Dear Mahanta da > > > > > >You will find my detailed response in the earlier > > >mail. Regarding benchmark, I want to give one > > example. > > >To determine my height or weight, you have concrete > > >benchmark. But to find out my kindness or cruelty, > > you > > >have to capitalise on abstract yardstick. No > > engineer > > >or architect can concretise it. > > > > > >I hope that makes my position clear. > > > > > >Let us not waste our time by looking for something > > >which we know that it does not exist. > > > > > >Regars as always > > > > > >Mayur > > >Chandigarh > > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Mayur: > > >> > > >> > > >> >So go at it my friend. Prove your mettle. > > Define > > >> your benchmark, and > > >> >I promise >to assist you with all the deep dark > > >> shortcomings of your > > >> >people and mine, the >kharkhowas. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *** Remember the above :-)? I was hoping to see > > you > > >> define the > > >> benchmark with which you were aiming to judge > > the > > >> Assamese people's > > >> 'strengths and weaknesses'. That was my ONLY > > >> condition. You need a > > >> yardstick to measure something. Short/long, > > >> better/worse, > > >> deeper/shallower and the like are meaningless > > terms, > > >> nebulous, unless > > >> you also can say compared to what, measured with > > >> what, based on what > > >> benchmark as the norm? That should not be too > > hard > > >> a concept for you > > >> to understand I am sure. > > >> > > >> The point is, your attempts to judge Assamese > > >> 'strengths and > > >> weaknesses' is faulty in its essence, because > > you > > >> were going to use > > >> the ethnic/cultural traits of those 'other > > Indians', > > >> which by > > >> themselves are, of necessity, subjective. > > >> Why should THOSE other INDIANS be the benchmark > > to > > >> judge the > > >> Assamese? And what is the validity of the > > >> PERCEPTIONS ( they are not > > >> absolute measures, as you realize) about those > > other > > >> Indians? > > >> > > >> Therefore, your exercise was going to be an > > >> arbitrary comparison of > > >> Assamese cultural/sociological traits, to > > validate > > >> your own > > >> perceptions. > > >> > > >> Question is why do you need to do that? To feel > > >> good about your > > >> ethnic /cultural traits, or feel bad about? > > >> > > >> Form your many notes it is abundantly clear that > > >> your pre-occupation > > >> is with a desire to underscore individuals' > > negative > > >> traits and slap > > >> them on to the entire people as a label. The > > >> attempt is to make the > > >> exercise seem legitimate, scientific, or > > >> comprehensive, by inviting > > >> Assam Netters to chime in. > > >> > > >> Question is why? I have no trouble believing you > > >> that it is not > > >> another backdoor political ploy that I have seen > > in > > > > Assam Net in the > > >> past. But it is a meaningless pursuit. > > >> > > >> Of course you have all the rights and privileges > > :-) > > >> as an > > >> assam-netter to continue the endeavor. And I am > > sure > > >> there will be > > >> the usual participants in the exercise too. But > > what > > >> will it mean? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >But Mahanta da, I am not criticising you. > > >> > > >> *** Feel free to do so. That is what I am here > > for. > > >> I am aware of my > > >> role as the fire-starter of Assam net, raising > > >> passions, waking > > >> people up to vent their disagreements and even > > >> angers, a role I > > >> relish :-). I have also > > >> noticed over the many years in this forum, that > > when > > >> I take a nap > > >> others too doze off--something that is not good. > > I > > >> hope someone like > > >> you would be there to fill in , just so we keep > > >> ,this juhalor mel > > >> going over the ancient 'tunh-jui' of our > > unfulfilled > > >> collective hopes > > >> and desires :-). > > >> > > >> > > >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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