To know God or spiritual hunting was never the reasons to start with for my reading spiritual scriptures. In fact, lot others read those scriptures for other reasons.
Examples:
Oppenheiem who was the architect of World's first Atom Bomb rejoiced chanting that thousand-time brighter than what it said in Bhagavad - soon after seeing the first blast of the Bomb.
Do you know who discovered that plant has life?
(He wanted to prove if what it said in Bhagavad was true)
On 10/14/05, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bidyut-da,That email discussion with Anjan-da was atleast an year ago I do not have any recollection of how to get those links.However, Hinduism has so many different texts -- and I frankly haven't read ALL of them. One does not need to read texts - to know about God --- it is more a matter of practicing your faith.But what one reads should be digested well and lessons learnt form that. For me Bhagwad Geeta is good enough for religious theory and methodology - short and sweet - ISKCON believes the same. For more one can read Mahabharat and Ramayan. More interested in technicalities can read up some English versions of Upanishads --However, I would go for the interpretation by Swami Vivekanand - than try to garner the meaning on my own from the actual ancient tomes.Happy Spiritual hunting!!Umesh
Bidyut Kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Umesh,
I do not remember reading Anjan's any list on varna usage - just post it again.
But, I do recall a debate that according to Veda Anjan claimed Brahma created the Universe. Then Rabin Deka explained with sloka that the Universe existed before Brahma's birth, and Brahma was also born with one head but transposed later.
-You need those sloka to understand why Geeta is a substance of Bhagavad
Without any sloka here is how the flow goes:
There are 12 Bhagavads - each Bhagavad is a planate
(Vedics say soul is present even for a planate, e.g., Earth has a soul and with this analogy earth can die too - you know stars die every day, Earth is a star)
(Brahma first learned from Bhagavad, the time he still got one head - you would need one of those sloka that Robin posted in the past to understand what he was learning.)
Brahma continued to wonder why he was there how he came then eventually he discovered who gave birth to him and soon after learning he turned four-head - then the Bhagavad concept he learned turned into (called) four Veda through his mouths.
Vyash edited Veda hymns and added some life scarifies in the form of Yagya.
This was the time someone on pure white dress came and told him what he was doing would be a big mistake and then the person disappeared. Vyash later concluded that the Person was "Budha" (Vishnu) - this Budha was what was the first Budha manifestation.
How did Gautam-Sidharth-Budha connects here?
Over times it appears that Brahma had forgotten Bhagavad - you find sloka for this - then Vishnu told him, "What you find in Veda is what out there among 12 Bhagavad prior to your birth". Then Brahma checked and compared to confirm and told about it to Narad - you find sloka for this too.
After Kurukshetra battle Viyasha was very sad.
Narada came and reminded his mistakes and explained. Narada also suggested him to put together Bhagavd hymns, which might make him feel good - so He did. Vyasha had four sons, one of them was Brahman like him but other three were Kshyatriya. - You figure out who they were.
Do you remember someone asked in the past in Assamnet if Hindus to believe Adam/Eave like fundamentals?
You came up with the answer "yes"
The Vedics did not have such concept.
According to them the life cycle start was by design and did not have sexual mechanism at the very beginning. So the population did not grow. Then they talk of amendment in the design and introduced this sex mechanism.
The first amendment resulted "munih" - e.g., Kayshap is a Munin but not Rishi. The first lot of all Munish (and Tirih too) are still alive somewhere.
What the Munih do?
Munih help designing "gatra" – "gatra" is what is body of a life and "mritagatra" is what is dead body.
How do a Munih design "gatra" while female/male have sex without their (munih) presence?
A soul goes through a Munih and penetrates to the head of the male who is heaving sex with a female on realtime - without the soul no "gatra" according to Vedic.
This method of soul penetration gives the "gotra" according to Vedics - so birth death and helping to give birth (getting married / have sex) are not the process any life has its own control according to Vedics. So "gotra" is a sort of protocol that creates "gatra".
Task for you:
Find sloka that talks of designing life from the body cells and discover how a soul goes to such a body - you might as well compare their (Vedic) fundamental theory with current stem cell theory to discover any difference.
Also is "geeta" a sanskrit word? If so what is its meaning?
Vyasha is Mahamunih and he does not monitor soul-movement!
Where is Vyasha now according to scripture?
How did Gautam-Sidharth-Budha connects to manifestation?
The word varna-mala (bit outside topic):
The vedics never used this word for alphabets according to Rabin once in an email appeared in Ratne group.
For the first time, this word was used by Bengali technicians working in press in British India while they first saw the colored print-set layout after printing a page. My guess - since Bengali were ahead of all in designing scripts for the press they carried the words to probably all Indian languages (Hidi, Telugu, Punjabi, Tamil etc).
Then what word they used for alphabet?
Anyway, I got to go.
Take care,
Bidyut
On 10/13/05, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Bidyut-da,Infact we had debated the issue meaning of "varna" at length on AssamNet quite some time ago and Anjan-da (Nath) had ultimately provided an exhaustive list of various usese of that word.First, Geeta is NOT the substance of Srimad Bhagwad ONLY - but of ALL previous religious texts. It is the essance of them all - as the shloka which I partly remember - somthing like "Dugdho Gavo ... Gopala Nandana" -- ie Gopal (Krishna) is milking the cow of religious texts (incl Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas etc -- the milk is Geeta - the essence.Second, the various meanings of "varna" culminate -- that "varna" means "Type" .For instance types of color, types of alphabets ("Varna Mala") etc etc. Anjan-da may be asked to again illustrate the list. I had then just remembered "Varna Mala" - the group of Hindi/Sanskrit alphabets being another use of the word "Varna."UmeshBidyut-da wrote:Anyway Bhuban, you may consider taking the following list of "varna"usages in Sanskrit to an academician if you go arguing - this may help.
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> Bidyut
>
> Some usages of varna in Sanskrit:
> SB = Srimad Bhagavad (Geeta is a substance of Srimad Bhagavad)
>
> varna - colors
> varna-sankarah - unwanted population
> varna-asrama - the system of eight social orders; SB 4.14.18
> varna - of the principles of the four occupational orders of society; SB
> 10.74.35
> tri-varna - consisting of three modes (goodness, passion and ignorance);
> SB 11.3.16
> varna - having complexions
> varna-asrama - the Vedic system of social and occupational divisions; SB
> 11.10.1
> pita-varnòa - the color yellow
> krisna-varna - blackish color
> tara varna - Her bodily complexion
> bhava-varna - the luster of transcendental ecstasy
> citra-varna - printed with varieties of colors
> varna-matra - only the color
> gaura-varna - having a golden or fair complexion
> syamala-varna - having a blackish complexion
> syama-varna - of blackish hue
> rakta-varna dhari' - assuming a reddish color
> pita-varna dhari' - assuming the color yellow
> pita-varna - yellowish color
> cari varna-asrami - followers of the four social and spiritual orders of
> life; CC Madhya 22.26
> varna-dvayi - the two syllables; CC Antya 1.99
> varna-dvayi - the two syllables; CC Antya 1.120
> pita-varna ha-ila - became yellowish
> varna - bodily complexion; CC Antya 15.64
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