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>More so for those who spare no word to sing praises of democracy
You sound like 'democracy' is the culprit.
I don't think you mean to. Let them not alter their position of praising
'democracy' Keeping that constant, you must do other things.
If you a justify something else, I will
call you King.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:52
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN
home in old Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
At 5:10 PM -0500 10/20/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>But GoI, predictably, has remained
paralyzed for ever, unable to release the grip, while it bleeds."
Suppose you
are right. So what do you do?
*** That certainly has played out, hasn't it?
Of course there are far better ways. More so for those who spare no word
to sing praises of democracy. But India is too fractured. It has no sense of
nation. It could never forge a national will to act wisely for the common
good.
So why should the NE tie itself to the foundering and leaky behemoth of a
battleship that can barely inch forward, much less change course nimbly
to
keep with the times?
But India has shown, time and again, that it responds only to violence.
Is it any wonder then why the NE has taken to arms, having failed to move the
mountain thru peaceful means that are expected to work in a functioning
democracy?
Insurgency?
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh
sharma
To: Chan
Mahanta ; Rajen Barua ; Bartta Bistar ; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN home in old
Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
If possible I would like some details about any special
controls being thrust on NE by GOI which are not thrust upon South or
North India.
Umesh
C-da wrote:
"This has been one of the most widely discussed arguments FOR
coming to a negotiated solution with devolution of central controls, so
that the local govts. can be held accountable. But GoI, predictably, has
remained paralyzed for ever, unable to release the grip, while it
bleeds."
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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O' Rajen:
>More the insurgency (or
the impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor Phwsphwsoni
>without actually biting)
I am sure you have heard the 'fokora', "xaap hoiw khwte',
bez hoiw' jaare"? You are giving a fine example of that by taunting the
insurgents.
Such taunting ,incidentally, is not isolated to clueless
Assam Netters,
but is also widespread in the desi media, such as the
Sentinel, the AT, Statesman, Indian Express etc., as well as among
'security analysts' and 'analysts' with Institutes of Conflict
Perpetuation. It is not a reaction of sincere people seeking a
resolution of the conflict, but of immature
commentators and analyst-wannabe-s feelings of being
ignored, of being left out of the process.
>The strong rumor is
that the Government money is being split into 60-40 % deal, and people
>get their share without working. Smart Dadas, Politicians,
Bureaucrates, the Militants, the >Military personal - all in the same
boat. One hear stories of govt employee not getting salaries >for 3
years. Don't worry. Just buy a couple of Maruties whaile waiting for
your salary.
*** That is a rumor?
Boy, I tell ya! Some people cannot see what sits on their
faces. That is for sure.
So why does not GoI do something about it, instead of acting
like deer caught in the headlights, staring and frozen, unable to
decide what to do?
This has been one of the most widely discussed arguments FOR
coming to a negotiated solution with devolution of central controls, so
that the local govts. can be held accountable. But GoI, predictably, has
remained paralyzed for ever, unable to release the grip, while it
bleeds.
At 3:35 PM -0500 10/20/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>Where have these funds gone? Into
the pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside
>the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no matter
how much they declaim their independence of it they are sustained by
funds that come from the >Centre to the state.
This seems to the story
of the street. What is left out in the report is the Indian Military
who are also in the game taking a piece of the pie. More the
insurgency (or the impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor
Phwsphwsoni without actually biting) more is the money to the North
East from the Center. The strong rumor is that the Government money is
being split into 60-40 % deal, and people get their share without
working. Smart Dadas, Politicians, Bureaucrates, the Militants,
the Military personal - all in the same boat. One hear stories of govt
employee not getting salaries for 3 years. Don't worry. Just buy a
couple of Maruties whaile waiting for your
salary.
So the moral in the North
East is:
Why
Work?
Why we need
Industry?
Why we need to stop the
insurgency, the golden hen, which is feeding all these people
and making it easier to squeeze more out of the GOI. And the
newly rich GOI mother is in a giving mode. All you need to prove is
that you are a minority.
India in general and
Assam in particular is a land which is being controlled by the
minorities today.
I say Hobo
Diok.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh sharma
To: Bartta Bistar ; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:56
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN home in
old Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
Very interesting - about corruption in NE!! from your
article below
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
"In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies has been
consistently woven under the façade of planning and development to
garner more Central funds. Where have these funds gone? Into the
pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer
outside the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no
matter how much they declaim their independence of it they are
sustained by funds that come from the Centre to the state. This is
true not just of Nagaland but also of Manipur. And it has been going
on for decades. But let us return to the question of the number of
people. In this horrendous exercise of deception, in which villagers
themselves were involved by inflating the numbers, hoping, as they
told researchers and scholars, for more funds from the state, for
more MLAs who would gift them more schemes and funds, the Centre
cannot escape responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What on
earth has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified members,
advisers and officials in charge of the North-east been doing all
these years? Have they asked questions to the state government or
are they just blindly following the data trotted out to them? The
data from the states in the North-east, as one has found from years
of field work, is not merely inconsistent with the facts, to put it
mildly, it is grossly misleading and inaccurate.
"
Bartta Bistar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Naga talks: Assam, Manipur Arunachal to be
involved
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=80364
SUDHI RANJAN
SEN
Posted online: Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 0016
hours IST
NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 19: The centre
will approach Assam, Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh to discuss
integration of Naga-inhabited areas. The move comes after the Naga
leadership agreed to go step by step in reaching a solution.
Oscar Fernandes, who represented the Centre in the recent talks on
the issue with NSCN (I-M) in Bangkok is back after holding five
meetings. Involving the three states was likely to come up when he
briefs PM Manmohan Singh on the talks.
The
government feels that the Nagas agreeing to go step by step,
ought to be reciprocated, sources said, adding the government
wants to involve the people and the political leadership of the
three states to get the view of these states on the Naga issue. It
is also likely to reduce growing pressure on the Naga leadership
from cadres to take the process further and show results. The key
point in the 30-point proposal submitted by the Naga leadership
earlier is a special federal relationship proposed with India, on
which the NCSN (I-M) will prepare an unofficial paper. Though
the purpose of this unofficial paper is not immediately clear, it
is understood that the Centre wants the NSCN (I-M) to spell out
the special status it has been demanding. The Nagas found
unacceptable, the earlier offer of autonomy on the lines of J-K.
Naga sources said the special federal relationship is based on
the distinct political and territorial identity of the Nagas.
They want the special relationship sealed through an agreement
that cannot be changed unilaterally by either side. The
sources said that they were willing to share functions and
responsibilities with India in such a way that the interests of
both were addressed. The unofficial paper, it is understood, would
be discussed in the next round of talks in Bangkok in
November.
NSCN no to Oscar
planhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1051020/asp/guwahati/story_5375478.asp
NISHIT
DHOLABHAI
Dimapur, Oct. 19: The NSCN (I-M) today thumbed down
Union minister Oscar Fernandezs suggestion that the Naga impasse
could be ended with an interim solution even as the dialogue for a
final settlement continued. The insurgent groups kilo kilonser
(home minister), Rh. Raising, said Delhi had not even discussed
the possibility of an interim arrangement with his organisation,
leave alone work towards it.It may be one among many formulas for
consideration, but we are looking for a lasting final solution, a
decision on which will be taken by the collective leadership (Isak
Chishi Swu and Th. Muivah), he said.Fernandez, the Union minister
of state for statistics and programme implementation and leader of
the ministerial group negotiating with the NSCN (I-M), said in
Kohima yesterday that an interim solution to the Naga issue was
possible, if agreed to by the outfit. But Raising remained
non-committal on whether his organisation would at all consider
such an option if Delhi raised it at the next round of formal
talks.The insurgent leader met Fernandez away from the prying eyes
of the media and declined to disclose whether the minister
mentioned any such proposal.It was a private chit-chat, nothing
for public consumption, he told The Telegraph. Raising said the
Naga peace talks, which have weathered several storms along the
way, were being held on an even keel and both India and the
Nagas must continue to respect one anothers point of view on key
issues. The NSCN (I-M) kilo kilonsers meeting with Fernandez was
ostensibly arranged at the eleventh hour. Just before leaving a
government accommodation for Dimapur airport, the Union minister
received feelers from the insurgent leader to arrange for a
tête-à-tête. His flight to Calcutta was delayed by over an hour,
allowing him the opportunity to oblige Raising.Raising sounded a
note of warning, too. He said the insurgent group was committed to
the peace process, but would not take things lying down if it did
not progress in the right direction. The next round of talks is
slated for December, probably before Christmas. The NSCN (I-M)
leader, however, declined to hazard a guess about any Christmas
gift to the impasse-weary Naga community. Fernandez told the
media that the Naga issue was five decades old, but the UPA
government in Delhi had dealt with it for only nine months. He
said the three states, Manipur, Assam and Arunachal Pradesh,
opposed to the campaign for integration of Naga-inhabited areas of
the Northeast were yet to have extensive discussions with
Delhi.
A question of numbers: How many people in
Nagaland? by SANJOY
HAZARIKA
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
The
2001 census of the state of Nagaland says that it has a population
of 19 lakh or 1.9 million. The government there has not yet
accepted or rejected the findings. But the question of how many
people actually live in Nagaland is a major and sensitive
issue.
The fact of the matter, according to senior government
officials, researchers and non-government groups, is that the
actual population is not more than 14 lakh or 1.4 million, or five
lakh less than the projected figure. This is a staggering
indictment of the census process in the state and raises
fundamental questions about the basis of planning and governance
there. According to researchers who have trekked to remote
villages and hamlets, battling bad weather, poor roads and tough
terrain, even figures given in the 1991 census are vastly
incorrect.
In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies has been
consistently woven under the façade of planning and development to
garner more Central funds. Where have these funds gone? Into the
pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer
outside the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no
matter how much they declaim their independence of it they are
sustained by funds that come from the Centre to the state. This is
true not just of Nagaland but also of Manipur. And it has been
going on for decades. But let us return to the question of the
number of people. In this horrendous exercise of deception, in
which villagers themselves were involved by inflating the numbers,
hoping, as they told researchers and scholars, for more funds from
the state, for more MLAs who would gift them more schemes and
funds, the Centre cannot escape responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What on
earth has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified
members, advisers and officials in charge of the North-east been
doing all these years? Have they asked questions to the state
government or are they just blindly following the data trotted out
to them? The data from the states in the North-east, as one has
found from years of field work, is not merely inconsistent with
the facts, to put it mildly, it is grossly misleading and
inaccurate.
What about the ministry of development for the
North-east, which is supposed to be the nodal development and
funds accruer (thanks to the 10 per cent allocation that each
ministry, barring just two or three, is supposed to slice out of
its annual budget and hand over to DoNER unless it has its own
projects in the region where it apportions the money)? Has it also
asked questions of the government in Nagaland or is it happy
merely to let things be and not ruffle feathers. How can
development take place on the basis of two sets of population
figures? Forget about planning for five years or developing a
vision plan down the road: how can any planning take place for
even one year if the facts are so skewed?
Take the example of
Jami village in Mokokchung district: it returned 197 households in
the 1991, repeat 1991, census. Researchers who went there a few
weeks ago counted 27, repeat 27, households. These questions must
be faced. The state government of chief minister Neiphiu Rio needs
to give some straight answers. The Governor, Shyamal Dutta, one of
the most upright leaders of the police before his retirement,
should gently nudge the state government to the straight and
narrow path. The Planning Commission, especially the member in
charge of the North-east, BS Yuganthar, another respected figure
in the bureaucracy, and his team have some fact-finding and
soul-searching to do. So does the Ministry of DoNER.
How could
something so obvious have gone wrong so blatantly? Where are the
state and the Centres checks and balances? These are issues of
public interest and lie in the public domain. The right to
information also has come into place and it is a good thing that
the Nagaland government has appointed a committee, for the time
being, to oversee the initial stages. Answers can be sought
through the RTI and the courts if the responses are
dissatisfactory.
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