>*** But my question here is about another matter: About your TAUNTING
of Assam Govts., past or present, for NOT enforcing >Assamese as the
State Language as in the following exchanges :
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>Rajen:
>On one side Assamese are crying for linguistic and cultural
protection.
>Assamese fought and won Assamese as the state language.
All other states have implemented the language act.
>Bengali in Bengal
etc.
>Now Assamese won't implement the 'Assamese in Assam'act,
because, 'Who is
>GOI to tell Assam what to do? You fix my border first,
other wise I won't
>implement my language act'
>I say hobo
diok
It is like as if you are saying,
making two wrongs by AOI will make it right.
First wrong: People of Assam asked
and got Assamese as the state language - and got.
AOI Hobo Diok Policy: OK, now let
us do a Second wrong: Don't implement the Assamese for Assam act
(bapeke).
The second wrong is not going to
take away whatever the ill effects was done by the first.
The alienation was already done not
by the Assamese for Assam act, but by insensitive remarks constantly being made
by political leaders throughout the century down to present time, including
those of people like Chandan Mahanta and others in the net The alienation was
done by the caste Hindu Assamese treating other sub ethnic groups as second
class citizens and not by the Assamese for Assam act. You don't have to go
far. Just look how the AGP Govt failed to make terms with the Bodo
leaders during their rule. Here the polarization of the Bodos was done not by
the GOI but by the Assamese. That is why I say, Sovereignty will
simply shift the head quarter of polarization from Delhi to Dispur with more
hatred because this time it our own people.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:59
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient
Links with Mainland India
At 10:16 AM -0600 11/5/05, Barua25 wrote:
>Patently
erroneeous assumptionS.
>Even Delhi
stopped this scary lines .
>100% will agree
to Sovereignty.
*** Here are too
many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any
water. Allow me to explain:
I would say
these reflect the same caste Hindu Assamese insensitive attitude
towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they
want." Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which
Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing
the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. I can cite many
examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from
last 100 years Assam political history.
*** First of all Assam never OWNED all these other indigenous people or
their land. They merely lived together, in interdependency, peacefully,
without being polarized like it is, thanks to Indian government
policies.
*** But my question here is about another matter: About your TAUNTING of
Assam Govts., past or present, for NOT enforcing Assamese as the State
Language as in the following exchanges :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rajen:
On one side Assamese are crying for
linguistic and cultural protection.
>Assamese fought and won
Assamese as the state language. All other staes have implemented the
language act.
Bengali in bengal etc.
Now Assamese won't implement the
'Assamese in Assam'act, because, 'Who is
GOI to tell Assam what to
do? You fix my border first, other wise I won't
implement my language
act'
I say hobo diok
'betonit poril ow baxudebaye nomoh'
*** Let us not invoke the
"---because the Bengalis have done so, and so must we too" logic here. If for
nothing else, because of the fact that Assam is not as homogeneous as Bengal
is. If you would rather not recognize Assam's unique situation, its many
peoples with their unique cultural and language identities, but instead
recommend keeping up with the Bengalis or the Gujaratis, would it seriously be
a serious recommendation? If Assam enacts the language act as you recommend,
and if the Bodos and the Tiwas and the Karbis go on the warpath, will it be
good for
Assam?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it an example of YOUR speaking from, using your own phrase,
'both ends' ? Or is there a more honorable explanation :-)?
O Assamee!
when will you learn and grow?
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: mc
mahant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with
Mainland India
<<<Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the
Bodos of
Kokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati say
no.
The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will the
sovereign government
of Assam hand over their lands to
those
guys>>>>
Patently erroneeous assumptionS.
Even Delhi stopped this scary lines .
100%will agree to Sovereignty.
Nothing succeeds like success.
mm
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mayur bora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Bartta
Bistar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links
with Mainland India
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20
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Rajib:
At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote:
But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following
exactly
the lines you worked along :-)
*** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge
brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments
and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree
with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive
to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no
getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely
for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important
for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving
problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had,
ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you
obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of
trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A
patently lost cause!
Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos
of
Kokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati say
no. The
Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will the
sovereign government of
Assam hand over their lands to
those
guys?
*** Here are too many assumptions for the question which
forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain:
First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups
of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in
geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a
part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY
if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent
decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign
state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved
except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might
like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the
PRofChina.
But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself
with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why
this condition has developed
in the NE, and exploration of solutions there
for.
Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I
have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who
do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks,
should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the
reasons for it as you see them.
Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve
the problem. I know
the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign
Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to re-orient
its governance can resolve these issues quite easily, because there
is a historical precedent for it. These people lived side by side,
in relative peace, interdependently, in for centuries.
The above two combined, therefore, makes the analogy
of Assam's disaffections as a part of India very different from
the disaffections of the many indigenous people of the NE , which is
a PRODUCT of the reigning Indian system of unaccountable, dysfunctional
governance steeped in the politics of (not) sharing the
spoils.
I understand your and other ethnic Bengalis' fears and
mistrusts of the Oxomiya
chauvinists. But that has changed dramatically over the
decades, even if not dead. But it will be the easiest thing to overcome,
when the intelligentsia of the communities could join forces,
backed by a functioning and trustworthy system of law-enforcement and
justice of a reformed Assam government, considering the fact that
the Assamese are the closest to the Bengalis in every describable
ethnic/cultural traits among all the people of the South Asian
sub-continent (with the exception of our indigenous Bodos, Karbis,
Misings, Tiwas etc. who are historically more closely related
kin.)
So, put your thinking cap on and go at it. Don't try to
throw my arguments at me, when you don't agree. That does not go
anywhere :-).
c-da
And especially in our parts of the
country, if
indeed you do handover Kokrajhar to
Bodoland, what about the
Assamese there who want to be
a part of sovereign India? Or sovereign Assam for
that
matter?
As to why Assam should be a part of sovereign
India, I
will address it in a separate e-mail!
>
> *** That is no argument. Assam is Assam and it's
> >
wishes are not subject to
> > somebody else's choices, wishes
or demands.
> >
> >
> > But let me ask you,
one of the most avid
> > advocates of India, WHY it is good
for India to
> > hold onto Assam, or how it is good for Assam
to
> > continue to submit to Indian rule?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > At 8:01 AM -0800 11/3/05,
Rajib Das wrote:
> > >There was never one India ruler that
had ALL of
> > India
> > >under his belt. The
Cholas were never ruled from
> > >Pataliputra as well. And
Assam as it is known
> today
> > >was not ruled for
ever from Pragjyotishpur.
> > >
> > >The basis
of modern Indian nationhood from most
> > claims
> >
>is the common cultural links across all the
>
regions
> > of
> > >the country. Actually that is
how most modern
> > nations
> > >(including those
of Europe) came about.
> > >
> > >Going by
this logic of who ruled whom, the Nagas
> > >should not
have a country (or for that matter a
> > state
> >
>even) - their territories were, for the most
> part,
>
> >variously ruled by the Meitis and the Burmese.
>
And
> > I
> > >am sure more than half the tribes
of the north
> east
> > >did not have a king in
their name.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> >
>> >In an antithesis to the rebels claim that
>
> Assam
> > >> >had never shared a common
culture and history
> > >> >with India before
the Yandaboo >Treaty,
> Mamoni
> > >>
>pointed out that the Ramayana had always
> >
>> >influenced Assamese culture and society. An
>
> >> >acclaimed authority on the >epic, she
said
> > >> >Madhav Kandali, a 14th century
Assamese poet,
> > >> >was the first to
re-tell the Ramayana in a
> > >> >modern
Indo-Aryan >language.
> > >>
> >
>> >Yet, though she underscored Assams
>
inseparable
> > >> >cultural link with
mainland India, she
> skirted
> > a
> >
>> >question on Ulfas demand for a
>sovereign
> > Assam
> > >> >for
obvious reasons. "Please dont mix the
> > two,"
> >
>> >she said.
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >> *** There
is a very simple explanation here
> that
> >
>> many people tend to miss:
> > >>
>
> >> In spite of all the cultural and religious
>
links
> > >> with India, Assam never was
a
> > >> subject of Indian rulers.
> >
>>
> > >> That is how it ought to be. Keep
the cultural
> > >> links, the religious links
and the trade
> links.
> > >> They cannot
be wiped out by an artificial line
> > on
> >
>> the ground. It is not like all of a sudden
>
Assam
> > >> will become a vassal state of China,
or
> Myanmar,
> > >> or B-Desh. But why
force Indian rule on Assam?
> > >> Let both
flourish, side by side, in friendship
> > >> and
mutual co-operation, like the two did over
> > >>
millenia, for the greater good of all.
> > >>
>
> >> cm
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>> At 7:42 AM +0000 11/3/05, Bartta Bistar wrote:
>
> >> >Guwahati, Thursday, November 3, 2005
>
> >> >
> > >> >
> >
>> >Epics linked Assam with India culturally
>
> >> >
> > >>
>http://www.assamtribune.com/ 3 November 2005
> >
>> >By A Staff Reporter
> > >>
> GUWAHATI, Nov 2 The Ramayana and the
> >
>> >Mahabharata the two Indian epics have
>
> linked
> > >> >Assam with the rest of
India culturally in an
> > >> >inseparable
manner. Assam has a vibrant
> > cultural
> >
>> >tradition that speaks of its cultural link
>
with
> > >> >the mainland. Its cultural
relation with the
> > >> >mainland is very
strong and old. There were
> > some
> > >> >smaller paths across the
Himalayas, which
> > served
> > >>
>as the channels for surface communication
> among
>
> >> >the scholars of the State and from
other
> parts
> > >> >of India so far as
maintaining mutual
> relations
> > >>
>was concerned.
> > >> >
> >
>> >These were the observations made by
noted
> > >> >litterateur Dr Mamoni Raisom
(Indira)
> Goswami,
> > >> >who has now
been acting as a mediator between
>
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