My Dear Rajib,
All your observations are valid-save the bit-the ULFA CM being crowned the Swargadeo.
He is not THAT vulgar.
We can make Rajen or Rajib wear the crown.
We have to solve our problems.
We do not have to copy Lenin ,Trotsky,Mao,Pol Pot.Their locales,times,communication,geo-politics,vast hinterlands are so different from ours.
You worry -nobody has an Exit strategy yet.
Wrong.
Just because you do not know?
We can't make it public yet.
Cycle Rallies and peace marches , many colorful Lasit Dibox's yes.
WHAT other productive use of time are the 25,000, 000++ engaged in YET?.
Next phase could be Civil War or Insurrection of the type you saw recently in Karbi.
All upto Dilli's ambitious family who wants to rule over vast expanses of virgin lands.
Create your Strategy.
Are you clever enough?
Otherwise let others do that and wait for the benefits to TRICKLE DOWN to fatten you.
mm
With the IIM /IIT/HBS/
From: Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Assam] ReBuild Assam -Continued
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:54:32 -0800 (PST)
>Mikeda,
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>That is where the problem lies.
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>Many godmen (true and false) would say "All these
>problems can be solved. Faith in him is the
>pre-requisite" in as much as you and others say
>sovereignity is the pre-requisite. There is no science
>in accepting that as the truth and the whole truth. We
>would have to be either very stupid or very afraid to
>accept it at face value without being given the how of
>it.
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>As to how this sovereignity will solve the problem, no
>one seems to have a clue. Having the honorable CM of
>ULFA as the sovereign king of Assam could also be
>sovereignity. So could be the supremacy of ULFA as an
>army / political party. I doubt whether THAT would be
>the pre-requisite to solving the problem.
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>A caring "STATE" - do you mean like the old USSR? Or
>the old ROMANIA? Or the house of Saud? Or that of
>Robert Mugabe? Or that of the The Lord's Army in some
>part of West Africa?
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>I am suprised you state that the REAL problems of
>fulfilling people's material aspirations can be solved
>in a week. Surely?????????????????
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>I scan the papers of the NE hard and the only thing I
>find is the clamor for PEACE - even when the PCG does
>their bicycle rally.
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>The question to be asked is whether this peace is
>about the need to fulfill the innate desire to be free
>OR to fulfill the Innate desire to be given the chance
>to be materially prosperous?
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>And no, these are not the same needs. These are very
>distinct needs that don't need to depend on on one
>another.
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>--- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>Barua's $100 WAGERS still does not change a
>situation.
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>Assamese society has been dying a slow starvation
>death for at least 50 years.They cannot walk,
>run,race,play football, win any race-forget about
>Olympic Weight-lifting Gold-medals.
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>Indian Rupee and organized loot are the causes .
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>We don't need a single Nursing Home, no more NEW
>MEDICAL semi-colleges and AIIMS's.
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>What we need in Assam is a caring STATE which will
>set in rapid motion a system to correct the
>imbalances fodder,feed,food chain so that man and
>beast , birds and fish, plant and fruit and honey gets
>into the daily intake for all 25,000,000++. Science
>for that exists .
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>Sovereignty is the essential pre-requisite.
>
>mm
>
>
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>From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Coolspirit111 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rajen
>Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Assam] ReBuild Assam -Continued
>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:49:03 -0600
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>11/23/05, Coolspirit111 wrote:
>To: Mr. Rajen BaruaYou may be right (but i am not
>sure!!) in saying that 'nobody is dyeing of hunger in
>assam'. But people are dying due to illness, can u
>deny that???
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>*** That is a relevant and good question.
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>Even if examples of people dying from not eating for a
>few days in a row may not be there -- a proposition
>that Rajen fabricates and then challenges -- it is a
>highly fallacious one.
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>Poor health and sickness leading to premature deaths
>are rife in Assam too, caused by inadequate food
>intake,poor nutrition and unsafe drinking water
>exacerbated by unsanitary living conditions. And this
>happens even in the middle classes.
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>Therefore Changmai's concern in this matter is not
>only valid, it is also another of Assam's more serious
>problems that has not received the kind of attention
>that should have.
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>discussion is going in a different direction than I
>thought earlier. We are still not sure what we are
>looking for. '1 million children are dyeing every year
>in africa can not be a good example of allowing people
>to dye in assam, for whatever reason. Hence i have
>decided to keep myself away from further discussion.
>Thanks to all again. changmai
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>Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BLOCKQUOTE { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px }
>DL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL {
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>PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI {
>PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px }(I had seen
>poor people dying in the train) Poor people may die of
>illness. Many are dying all over the world. 1 million
>children are dying every year in Africa out of hunger.
>Those are known reported facts.However, the bottom
>line is I don't think anybody is dying of hunger in
>Assam. (India, may be)Can the esteemed speaker kindly
>would be able to show any real time statistics of
>anybody dying of hunger in Assam?I will give $100
>against such proof to the family.RB
>----- Original Message -----From: Chan MahantaTo:
>Coolspirit111 ; Barua25Cc: [email protected] ;
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tuesday, November 22, 2005
>7:55 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] ReBuild Assam -Continued
>Not my intent here to come to others' defense. Dilip
>Deka, I am sure, can defend his position well here.
>But my two bits below:
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>At 2:44 AM -0800 11/22/05, Coolspirit111 wrote:
>If you can not understand the importance of having an
>AIIMS like medical college in the region, pl travel to
>chennai/vellore sometime in III-sleeper/un-reserved
>compartment (it is easy to say something sitting in an
>a/c room than seeing the real world),
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>**** Been there, done that.
>But the question remains, unanswered and un-addressed,
>about the wisdom of siphoning off limited PUBLIC
>resources or demanding it; to reward a FEW. The few
>who may opt to become Babus, or leave for the UK or
>the USA, and the rest become paper-pushing clerks
>rising up the ladder of seniority, producing LITTLE.
>No doubt there would be exceptions.But the exceptions
>contribute little to nation building.
>No one would deny that there is indeed a need for
>professionals in society: Doctors, engineers etc. But
>it cannot be THE only need. Therefore the limited
>PUBLIC resources MUST be allocated carefully, wisely
>-- to produce what is needed MOST by society, for the
>greatest benefit to the people.
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> you will understand why it is important. (I had seen
>poor people dying in the train) And ask some-one
>(should be from the region) in IITG, how it may help
>in some way besides employment and prestige. (RB is
>right). >Emplyement and prestige!!!
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>**** Employment and prestige for a FEW at the cost of
>the general public's good is NOT the state's business.
>If individuals seek that, let them. Why should
>everyone have to sacrifice for the prestige or
>employment of a few? The argument is a very
>simple-minded one at best. Immature one.
>But I understand where it comes from: From the same
>outlook that accepts andeven defends a perverse system
>that robs the public of its resources to re-distribute
>it to enrich a few, in an egregious display of reverse
>Robinhood-ism.
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> Coming to museum, (even I am not very sure how it
>will help people of assam in a big way), it will
>surely help in saving some money for people like
>Mr.Deka who likes to visit museum, at least for those
>who do not have enough and can not afford to visit
>different states!!!
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>*** Indeed. And that is very thoughtful. But again, it
>is a matter of prioritizing. What is MORE important
>for the greater good of the largest sector of the
>population? Is a Museum of Science and Technology more
>important for the state than childhood immunization
>for example?
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>than seeing the real >world),
>**** That is not a very bright argument. Means
>nothing. Just because the argument comes from someone
>who is privileged, does not ever mean that its merit
>is thus reduced, devalued.
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>Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Emplyement and prestige!!!
>RB
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dilip/Dil Deka
>To: Chan Mahanta ; Coolspirit111
>Cc: [email protected]
>Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] ReBuild Assam -Continued
>
>Absolutely correct. How does installation of an IIT or
>an AIIMS campus help Assam in solving the real
>problems? Why were these included in AASU demands to
>start with?
>I also keep hearing about demand for museums - oil
>museum here, tea museum there. What will a museum
>bring to Assam, except for a few non-productive jobs.
>Don't get me wrong, museums are great and I visit them
>when I can. But what does a museum bring to Assam at
>this time?
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>Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>I lost Changmai's link.
>Can you please forward to him and to assamnet -with
>proper labelling etc?
>mm
>Changmai-new to the net ?
>He added a few points to the exchange going on between
>Chan &Partha.
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> We had to sacrifice hundreds to get IIT:
>WrongAASU did never fight and die for an IIT,a Gas
>Cracker ,a Refinery,a CULTURE?complex .In a final
>midnight document ALL these were there and they
>signed! Assam does not need IITs when
>hundreds of Engin! eering Degree holders are
>produced each year and none have done any Engineering
>YET.. And a few Assam Candidates are taken in by IIT
>Gauhati out of some Guilt Complex.Bulk are from
>India-get stamped and they are of no use to India
>certainly none for Assam.
> Whole of NE needs an AIIMS Class Med College :
>One is almost ready in Shillong. As if 3 Existing Med
>Colleges are not bad enough- Elections are near and
>Tarun announced 3 more Half-Med colleges to be ready
>in a few months! I think you need better
>nutrition and health and meaningful worknot hundreds
>of Nursing Homes, Diagnostic Centers, Druggists with
>vast stocks of Strong Medicines and AIIMS.
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>On Assam Front Changmai is unhappy that:
>1. APSC results never get announced and
>recruitments are defective-- .Actually you should cry
>out against Government Babu Armies
>2. Pitying about the hordes of boys and girls-
>robbing their parents of Their Easy Moneys and
>enrolling in Delhi,Pune,South---into some I.T or
>Computer or Advanced course and getting LOST.
>3. 14 Assam MPs sleeping inside the parliament
>never venturing to utter a view,debate any issue ,due
>to their inability to speak ANY language and having no
>confidence in themselves !
>
>
>All in all we have no choice le! ft but to Rebuild
>Assam as a Sovereign Unit and thus Rebuild India. The
>time is Now! Not 2025 the year BY which Kalam wants
>India to be a Super Power.
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