So you are saying you asked me
the following question not for you but for sake of Sumanta Chaliha.
.
> At any event, if Assam is NOt
for Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
I did not know you are his spokeperson.
But does it make any difference?
It does not because what you tried to
interperet your statement in the following, you are actaullay getting nto a
dead end. But before I show you the fallacy of your statement, please clarify
beforehand that it it Chandan's statement and not somebody else. And if you
want to change your mind, please do so before I attack you.
Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who BELONG to Assam. It is
their homeland. It includes many different ethnic groups. Ahoms, Bodos,
Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc.Assam is NOT the homeland for Biharis,
not for Marwaris, not for B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become
Assamese in time thru a process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN
itinerant Marwaris and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at the
same time. That is the difference
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:29
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Who is Assam
For?
*** I think you need to READ carefully and comprehend what you are
replying to.
>Now you are saying it
was NOT you who wrote this but is a confusion on my part!!!!!!!
You are going about it like the Three Stooges in their Who Is on First
routine, discombobulated by their own semantics.
My response was to your comment: " I donot subscribe to your above narrow Assamese nationalistic feeling
which is simply deviding the people of Assam."
I was telling you that it was NOT my comment which caused you to think
that I was dividing the people of Assam. It was YOU who took issue with what
you attributed to Sumanta Chaliha -- that Assam ought to be for the Assamese.
And when I asked you to explain, you charged me with dividing the people of
Assam with 'narrow nationalistic feelings', instead of explaining WHY it is
wrong on Sumanta's part to advocate what he is purportedly doing.
At 11:22 AM -0600 12/27/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
**** Sorry, but it was NOT me who was doing
that. It is confusion on your part. But I will give you the benefit of a
doubt on grounds of that damned English language :-).
I
fail to understand what you are trying to say here.
You
wrote this just a minute ago for everyone to see in the
internet
>At any event,
if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris,
Gujaratis, Punjabis, B'Deshis--who?
Now
you are saying it was NOT you who wrote this but is a confusion on my
part!!!!!!!
In
the past I have seen many ways how you try to slip away from your own
statements just to save your face, what may be termed as 'Chandan
Slips'.
But
this is the height of Chandan Slip I would say.
Denying something outright which you wrote and blaming it on my
understanding.
What is there to confuse about Chandan. You wrote
> At any
event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis,
Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis, B'Deshis--who?
If
you really feel you are having too many controversial ideas to fight
against, I suggest you take a break and return with fresh
energy.
Netters would understand.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ;
[email protected] ; Chan Mahanta
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:22 AM
Subject: Who is Assam For?
At 9:29 PM -0600 12/26/05, Barua25 wrote:
>At any event, if Assam is NOt for
Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
I think this is one
the major difference of your above view and mine and many
others. According to my view, (and hopefully majority views)
Assam is not only for the Assamese. But Assam is for all
those people, Assamese, Bengalis, Bodos, Nepalis, Biharis, Marwaris,
Bangladeshis, and all others who legaly reside in
Assam.
I donot subscribe
to your above narrow Assamese nationalistic feeling which is simply
deviding the people of Assam.
RB
**** Sorry, but it was NOT me who was doing that. It is
confusion on your part. But I will give you the benefit of a doubt on
grounds of that damned English language :-).
Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who BELONG to Assam. It is
their homeland. It includes many different ethnic groups. Ahoms, Bodos,
Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc.Assam is NOT the homeland for Biharis,
not for Marwaris, not for B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become
Assamese in time thru a process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN
itinerant Marwaris and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at
the same time. That is the difference
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: [email protected] ; Chan Mahanta
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
**** Whoever wrote :"Today also Sumanta Chaliha and
his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same thing:"
I fail to see
where did I say it is their sin when I say the
above?
I am just showing
tne range of Assam political thinking?
Where is the
sin?
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:43
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
Who is
talking about Sumanta's sin?
**** Whoever wrote :"Today also Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are
telling the same thing:"
How did Sumanta C get lumped with Tarun Gopgoi, Mamoni
Goswami, Mukul Mahanta and Chandan Mahanta?
>but I did
not know that you are a supporter of his vews on Assam
for Assamese.
**** Do you know that now? And if so, how? What did I
say for you to conclude that?
At any event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should
it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
At 12:38 AM -0600 12/26/05, Barua25 wrote:
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He
is a nephew you know, son of a first cousin? You may not know this
yet, but he is the newly appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins
yet another Mahanta of Namti, Manjit, another son of a first
cousin, who also is the Editor of Asomiya Pratidin. You moderate
and wise democratic guys in the middle are surrounded by this
tribe of Pol- Pot wanna-be's and extremists or what
:-)?
He is like a brother to me, and I respect his
multitalents, especially his contribution to the Assamese language
I donot necessarily support his Assam for Assamese
Jatiotabadi writings. It does not matter whether he is your nephew
ort not, (which I did not, and need not, know), but I did not
know that you are a supporter of his vews on Assam
for Assamese. Thanks for letting us
know.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:45
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
Merry Christmas Rajen!
May Peace reign on earth!
And thus I start the morning of this auspicious day
although it is gloomy outside in St. Louis with the forecast of
a slight chance at snow.
To set things straight, I did not wish to put you in
a spot by asking for a bearing on your
position/s.
I raised the issue only because you picked
out a bunch of names whose views you denigrate with while
denying any intent to club them together, but raising the issue
of a VOID in the 'middle'--thus implying the rest are
extremists.
Under the circumstances reasonable people, not to
mention extremists, could suspect you might be a one of the wise
ones holding moderate views for countering the ills of
'democracy' as Lyngdoh sees them. Your dedication to democratic
values, worn not only on your shirt-sleeves, but other positions
in plain sight as well, could not be missed by any netter but
the legally blind. It was therefore a surprise to see your
endorsement of Lyngdoh's 'intellectual' outburst against
'democracy' in India.
I am sure I was not alone in wondering if we are
speaking the same language.
But I shall not harass you any more. You explained
things clearly as mud.
Take care,
c :-)
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He is a nephew you
know, son of a first cousin? You may not know this yet, but he
is the newly appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins yet
another Mahanta of Namti, Manjit, another son of a first cousin,
who also is the Editor of Asomiya Pratidin. You moderate and
wise democratic guys in the middle are surrounded by this tribe
of Pol- Pot wanna-be's and extremists or what
:-)?
At 12:46 PM -0600 12/24/05, Barua25 wrote:
>Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't
denigrate it. But right this instance we have little use for
it in these discussions. "Jwre >puri haat paalehi" -- time
to do something wouldn't you think?
Philosophy, as well as history,
are important in the fight in order to
know the enemy.
Almost
hundred years ago, Ambika Giri RaiChoudhury also told the same
thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi, time to do something. Oxom
morile amiw morim" .
In 79
Assam Gono Andwlon also Assamese said the same thing: "Jwre
puri haat paalehi--time to do something. Oxom morile amiw
morim"
Today
also Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are telling
the same thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi-time to do
something.Oxom morile amiw morim"
Chandan
Mahanta is also telling the same thing: "Jwre puri haat
paalehi--time to do something"
But
unless you know what is the right thing to do, you will
be simply loosing 25 years this way, another 25 years
that way.
Communism, as proposed by the Mahantas, is
definitely not the solution.
Hatred of
India, as proposed by the Mahnats, is not the
solution.
Doom for
India, as proposed by the Mahantas, is not the
solution.
This I
learnt from my lessons in philosophy and
history.
Quicker
you guys realize that the better.
I don't have any intention to loose another 25
years spending in arguments on the wrong
debate.
I have
better things to do with people
who donot
hate India,
who are
against Communism,
who are
for freedom of the individual,
who are
against slogans
who want
to find the solution based on rational
analysis.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:34
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING
INDIA: LYNGDOH
I am not seeking your predictions here Rajen.
Regardless of the prescience of amateur or even
professional seers, they are at best idle
speculations.
Positive change can come only with participation
and involvement of those who know better. In that, my
question is where do you stand with your contributions to
the positive changes, which I gather even if only
indirectly, that you too would like to see in
Assam?
And what would those changes be that you
would like to see? How do you see a process for such changes
put in place and moved forward?
Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't
denigrate it. But right this instance we have little use for
it in these discussions. "Jwre puri haat paalehi" -- time to
do something wouldn't you think?
c
At 9:51 PM -0600 12/23/05, Barua25 wrote:
In my opinion, the reason why there
won't be any major change in India, in spite how
pessimistic or optimistic one feel about India, is because
of the age old characteristics of the Indians. Indians are
too imaginative as opposed to being rational like the
Chinese. We Indians think too
much.
In
fact, I could not find a single event, since the Gupta
Empire, that we Indians did as a nation in the
political scene, as a proactive action other than going by
inertia letting things happen as it may come, each
doing Karma being in his/her own station,
letting the chips fall wherever they will. Of course
there had been side actions of the Ahoms, the Rajputs and
many others, but these are foreigners to be absorbed into
the black hole of Hinduism where imagination take control
of the real world and make the Indian blind to see the
real world. Even our struggle for independence was, in my
opinion, a war fought out of
inertia.
As
one philosopher puts it
"In the Indian world there is, so to speak, no
object that can be regarded as real, and firmly defined -
none that was not at its first apprehension
perverted by the imagination to the very opposite of what
it presents to an intelligent conscienousness...... Among
the Hindoos, on the contrary - instead of Unity -
Diversity is the fundamental characteristic." -
Hegel.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:13
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY
HARMING INDIA: LYNGDOH
>But before that there is no doubt India is
destined to play a leading role as an advanced country
in the not too distant >future.
**** I am sure that will please all those
who are not in the receiving end of what Lyngdoh rails
about and are clamoring for a seat at the table of
world's 'powers'. But for the rest it is 'eat cake',
isn't it? Unfortunately the eat-cake crowd is growing,
not receding. Something tells me it will assert itself
sooner than later. And Assam will be in the thick of it
if not in the forefront.
At 4:23 PM -0500 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Chandan
I
do not find anything to disagree with you.I can only
hope that Lyngdoh's thinking will inspire the coming
generation to find a way out of the present morass in
our body politic. I do not think it will happen in our
lifetime. Politics is ever unpredictable.
Gorbachov did something unthinkable to
Communism.According to some researchers, India
is bound to disingegrate in course of time. But before
that there is no doubt India is destined to play
a leading role as an advanced country in the not too
distant future. I do not think Assam is going to be a
major player in it.
Regards
Bhuban
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