>I provided
you with my OWN interpretation, which you had trouble comprehending.
>That is because you could not differentiate between the
concepts of nationality and ethnicity, It is that 'damned English
language problem', not just with >yourself, but you have company I
know.
>Would you argue with the concept of India for Indians? And if you would
not, it is exactly the same for Assam for the Assamese. And, of necessity, it
assumes
>an Assamese Nation ( as in the Indian Nation), and it includes a
diverse milieu of ethnicities.
It is not the damn English language, it is
damn Chandan Mahanta. You are absolutley wrong. In fact your following
definition of Assamese does not show Assamese as a Nation, it shows Assamese as a group of several
ethnic groups..
"Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who BELONG to Assam. It is
their homeland. It includes many different ethnic
groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc.Assam is NOT
the homeland for Biharis, not for Marwaris, not for B'deshis. They can be guests
there. And become Assamese in time thru a process of assimilation. But they
cannot REMAIN itinerant Marwaris and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be
Assamese at the same time. That is the difference" - Chandan
Mahanta (Dec 26, 2005)
On the other
hand my definition, as noted below shows the Assamese as a
Nation
ALL THE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF
ASSAM ARE ASSAMESE.
This definition goes well with
definitions of Indian, American etc. We donot say Indians consits of the
following ethnic groups or American consists of the folloiwng ethnic groups like
you are showing the Assamese people.
*** You do deserve a NOVEL prize foe discovering it and enlightening
humanity with it.
I will take it
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:52
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam is for
Assamese
>I just wanted to show that
'Assam for Assamese' theme simply does not work whichever way we look at
it.
*** That is YOUR opinion, and you are entitled to it.
You started off with saying you do not agree with Sumanta's " I donot necessarily support his Assam
for Assamese Jatiotabadi writings. "
> In my opinion,
Sumanta would not have interpreted the definition of 'Assamese' the
way Chandan did.
But you NEVER told us WHAT his 'jatiyotabadi' writings proposed or
included. You are the one who was privy to what Sumanta had in mind. Or are
YOU guessing here?
Since you would NOT tell us what Sumanta had in mind I provided you with
my OWN interpretation, which you had trouble comprehending.
That is because you could not differentiate between the concepts of
nationality and ethnicity, It is that 'damned English language problem', not
just with yourself, but you have company I know.
Would you argue with the concept of India for Indians? And if you would
not, it is exactly the same for Assam for the Assamese. And, of necessity, it
assumes
an Assamese Nation ( as in the Indian Nation), and it includes a diverse
milieu of ethnicities.
What you cannot handle is the concept of an Assamese Nation. As a result
you went about attributing weird meanings to what I wrote when I submitted
myself to your inquisition with the hope of aiding you with your profoundly
muddled thinking process.
>In my opinion we should try
to avoid using the word for political purpose,
*** Why? Because it holds the connotation of an Assamese Nation? Or for
some other reason, like a problem with the English language?
>and only definition
which will work for Assamese is this: ALL THE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF ASSAM ARE
>ASSAMESE.
*** You do deserve a NOVEL prize foe discovering it and enlightening
humanity with it.
>While keeping
this definition, Assam should ask for cultural protection
*** From WHOM? Who has the RIGHT to take it away from Assam to begin
with, so that Assam has to begging for it from someone else?
And WHY has that NEED arisen?
When you can answer that, you can understand the need for the concept of
an Assamese Nation.
But I won't hold my breath.
At 12:25 AM -0600 12/29/05, Barua25 wrote:
Sure we need to move on to the next topic.
However this was an important topic for everybody interested for
welfare of Assam.
I
just wanted to show that 'Assam for Assamese' theme simply does not work
whichever way we look at it.
In
1979, Assam Gana Andwlon failed exactly for this reason. The student
leaders became over ambitious and went for 'Assam for Assamese'
theme, and in the process failed to assure the minority groups in
Assam that by 'Assamese; they intend to include the minority groups
too, and that this revolution was not against them but for
them.
Chandan came forward like a nopota phukon (for reasons
of his own) to interpret the "Assam for Assamese'' theme, for and on behalf
of Sumanta Chaliha, eventhough he flatly claimed that he had not idea what
Sumanta stood for. This is simply a very dangerous game. In my opinion,
Sumanta would not have interpreted the definition of 'Assamese'
the way Chandan did. That definition is outdated in my
opinion. Assamese need to have a better definition of the word
Assamese. In fact those who are aware of the debates going on in Assam
knows that even Oxom Xahityo Xobha and others are busy in their writing
tables trying to revise the definition of the word
'Assamese'.
In
my opinion we should try to avoid using the word for political purpose, and
only definition which will work for Assamese is this: ALL THE LEGAL
RESIDENTS OF ASSAM ARE ASSAMESE. Any definition short of this will not work
for greater interest of Assam. This definition will work for internal
purpose. While keeping this definition, Assam should ask for cultural
protection of the so called 'khilinjia' Assamese which may be defined as
residents of Assam who had been living in Assam on or before 'such and such'
date (TBD).
Anyhow the above is purely my personal observation. I am sure others
may have different opinion on this.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Dilip/Dil
Deka
To: Rajen
Barua ; Chandan
Mahanta
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam is for Assamese
Hey guys,
Have you resolved this issue? Can we move on to something
else?
How about this new DGP in Assam? The media says he is clean
and corruption free. How did he pay for two kids in US undergraduate
schools with his IPS salary? I read the glowing report in Assam press.
Should I believe it?
I am ready to accept his clean record if some one from Assam
attests to it.
Thanks,
Dilip
Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It is very
common in Assam politics for a person to flatly deny a statement in
broad daylight. But I thought you are above that.
Sorry my mistake
in judgment.
This is your
writing. Chandan
NOT SUMANTA's.
Don't try to back off now.
This is YOUR Assam,
NOT SUMANTA's
Sumanta did not
make those statement.
Don't try to drag
SUMANTA into your statement.
See, heh
heh
RB
>But before I try to show the short coming of your
statement, I want you to note and confirm again that the following
is your
own statement which you believe, and not of Sumanta Chaliha or
somebody else and that you are simply trying to tabulate to
spice up the arguments for the sake of
arguments.
"Assam IS for the Assamese --
those who BELONG to Assam. It is their homeland. It includes many
different ethnic groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc.
etc.Assam is NOT the homeland for Biharis, not for Marwaris, not for
B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become Assamese in time thru a
process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN itinerant Marwaris and
Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at the same time. That
is the difference" - Chandan Mahanta (Dec 26,
2005)
*** I am NOT in the habit of blaming somebody else for what
I write Rajen. The Devil does NOT make me do it. Did I create an
impression otherwise?
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:16
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam is for
Assamese
>So no
Bengalis in your independent Assam unless they become Assamese etc. No
Bodos in >independent Assam they identify themselves as Assamese
etc....
*** Is that what YOU imagine as a result of Sumanta's
plan? Or is that what you imagine as an extension of MY explanation ?
And is that the only result you can imagine?
*** Just so it is clear Rajen, your concoction of this
scenario is NOT the only possible result for the indigenous Bengalis
of Assam. If you insist it is, then either your imaginations are
rather stunted, or you are being very disingenuous.
Take your pick.
At 3:05 PM -0600 12/28/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
"Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who BELONG to
Assam. It is their homeland. It includes many different ethnic
groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas, Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc. Assam
is NOT the homeland for Biharis, not for Marwaris, not for
B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become Assamese in time
thru a process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN itinerant
Marwaris and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at the
same time. That is the difference" - Chandan Mahanta (Dec 26,
2005)
If you cannot
answer, (and what it seems obvious to the netters) people
will understand, but you don't have to change the subject now
to independent Assam and bring old issues trying to show how bad a
person I am by showing what I wrote in the past and what
I did not. This is rather an old trick to
camouflage your inability to address the questions. Exactly like
your inability to address the question how to achieve independence
of Assam from India, you are trying to take the same escape
route. Our present discussion on the issue was not based on
an independent Assam, and if you are thinking netters have a short
memory, I wish you luck. Even than you did not answer many
questions which directly pertains to independent Assam.
So no Bengalis in your independent Assam unless they become
Assamese etc. No Bodos in independent Assam they identify
themselves as Assamese etc....
So what do
you say, let us close the chapter and put in in
archive?
RB
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