Ram:
>And I thought, I was always in religious moderation.
*** Yes, YOU are. I won't deny you that.
But somehow, it appears that there is a loophole in your psyche
that lets the Lungi Menace fall thru. It certainly could not be about
the remnants of that unkind cut ( remember "bosiya kando, bosiya
kando" ?). So what could it be? That 600 plus years of
subjugation? We know Himen-da has been reeling under that, but you are
not the kind to be hung up on such. But then what? It must be
something to do with which way one faces to offer their prayers? Or
the color of their ensign? Or is it the crescent moon? Beef eating
perhaps -- naah, you Texans oughtta be OK with that! What is it
Ram? I give up.
>And it becomes more acute when moderate netters try
their very best and come to >the defense of religious
extremists.
*** You mean like in endorsing Himen-da's exhortation on:
">We should all work to eliminate the degeneration that
India was forced to > >go through the 664 years of foreign
rule." ?
Did you really mean that Ram? I know Himen-da was stung by my
reference to that Statute of Limitations. But what is your
problem?
>These moderate netters of course would show Hindu
extremism as being the >dominant practice of Hinduism,
*** Would they? Like when?
>and thereby equating it to other extremists running loose in this world.
*** Are you suggesting that perhaps ALL of them pajama wearing,
lungi sporting. Meccah-way kneeling, border-crossers are potential, if
not already so, Jihadistas, out to separate good Bamuns , Goxains and
Bhokots from their gods if not their lives?
c-da :-)
At 5:14 PM -0600 1/5/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da, C'da
I just don't know what to say:
>*** Unless you weigh it on the scales of religion, for example, something that drives Himen-da or >Ram. Or on the scales of language
Scales on religion? Me, driven by religion? And I thought, I was always in religious moderation. My problem is usually with those rabid religious freaks - Muslims or Hindus or any others in-between.
And it becomes more acute when moderate netters try their very best and come to the defense of religious extremists. These moderate netters of course would show Hindu extremism as being the dominant practice of Hinduism, and thereby equating it to other extremists running loose in this world.
--Ram
On 1/5/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think any answer of the form of yes or no is likely to be useless -
*** Unless you weigh it on the scales of religion, for example, something that drives Himen-da or Ram. Or on the scales of language, for some others. Or on the scales of 'culture'-- even though it gets tricky on how to define culture.
So on and so forth.
At 4:00 PM -0600 1/5/06, Roy, Santanu wrote:
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Dear Ram-da:
I am rather skeptical of the idea of having a enumeration of "Assam's problems". Because it is not clear what such a list is supposed to mean. I guess we can include anything that has an adverse consequence on the economy, the existing society, the welfare of the existing population or in fact, on anything we happen to like - as being a problem. An even more liberal list would include anything that bothers us.
Mosquitoes in Assam bother me. In fact, they bother me a lot - hell of a lot more than Bangladeshis. And they cause more deaths. Are mosquitoes a problem? Shall we include them in the list? What would it mean?
Regarding "Bangladeshis!" - I think an unnaturally high rate of migration of population to Assam in the last century has caused severe problems for the ecology of the state, degradation of natural resources such as land, forests, has led to depletion of common property and state owned assets and has threatened the existing cultural assets (such as language, social norms) of the indigenous people. On the other hand, it has also contributed positively to raw economic growth in the agricultural sector and may provide the essential stimulus for attracting industry through cheap labor if proper infrastructure is available some day. However, I think, by most social criteria, one can say that on balance, the adverse effects are dominant.
But does that make it a problem or not? I think any answer of the form of yes or no is likely to be useless - reduce it to the level of the mosquitoes.
Regards,
Santanu.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ram Sarangapani
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:18 PM
To: ASSAMNET
Subject: [Assam] Identifying Assam's problems
There have been a lot of discussions on this net (and in Assam) regarding the problems that Assam faces. One of the things that struck me was Santanu's query about Bangladeshi immigrants. I am not sure where exactly he stands on that issue, but the thought occurred to me that maybe we all do not agree on what the problems are. We also seem to have some difficulty in identifying the problems.
For example, the influx problem. Some think it is a huge problem, while others don't. Also, we have problems even if we agree that 'influx' is a problem ie. in identifying who exactly are the illegals in Assam.
So, I thought it might be of some use if we could come up with some sort of survey that would tell us what most of us think Assam's problems are. It is not exhaustive, and I am just giving a few here (as a sample). Maybe some questions are too sensitive and could be cast away. Others are just too broad - but at least it may give us some direction and tell us if we are all on the same page on most issues.
Once we can identify the major issues, then we can discuss a more meaningful manner.
Sample Survey (Answer Yes/No/Maybe) Identifying Problems for Assam
1. Is illegal immigration?
2. Is the GOA a problem for Assam?
3. Is the GOI a problem for Assam?
4. Lack of reforms in Assam?
5. Lack of reforms in India as a whole?
6. Are bandhs a problem for Assam?
7. Is the ULFA (or other insurgent groups) a problem for Assam?
8. Are attitudes of Assamese intelligentia a problem?
9. Being a part of India a problem for Assam?
10. This attitude of some Assamese to separate from India a problem for Assam?
11. Is losing the Assamese identity a problem for Assam
12. Is the Assamese work culture a problem for Assam?
13. Not getting due recognition from others in India a problem for Assam?
14. Not enough large industries or quality educational institutions in Assam a problem?
Feel free to add/delete :
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