Since I didn't see any indication that Rajib gas found his answers, allow me to help out.
But let us do it v e r y s l o w l y! These things could cause serious headaches if taken in too fast. > >1. You said India listens to violence. And I said no, >it does not, so long as it does not hurt India bad >enough. >3. The only people hurting with all this violence >therefore are the people of Assam. The ULFA does have >the capability to render Assam unstable and hurt the >people real bad and that, it has proven. *** Let's see now: If a limb of mine--an integral part of my body, but something I might still be able to live with it amputated, is hurting, should it be describes as a hurting limb only, not a pain to my entire body? If Bharat Mata ( Mother India) considers Assam a genuine, co-equal part of its body, as it claims to no end, then if its population is hurting from something, can this good mother pass it off as not hurting its entire persona? But if this mother is not a good one, and favors some of its children over others, then she could say she is not hurting, or her supporters can claim that she does not hurt. If that is what Rajib is referring to, then he would be right. *** We have plenty of examples to look at:the Naga rebellion, the Mizo rebellion, ULFA, NDFB, , or Kashmir, Khalistan, Uttranchal, Jharkhand, or Naxals a large array of lesser rebellions spanning over half a century that affirms without any doubt that desi-demokrasy is tone-deaf to its constituents' disaffections, and has proven its impotence at being able to diffuse them from turning into violent confrontations. When bloodletting begins then India wakes up, and tries to put them down using the BBaD principle ( brute force, bribery and deceit), while professing democratic values and its fealty to democratic principles to resolve the conflicts; instead of SINCERELY WORKING to RESOLVE them. If that is what Rajib is referring to, then, again he would be right. That is probably the 50-50 condition MM was referring to. > >By the way, as a footnote, here is a question: Is it >ULFA's 'poitrik xompotti' that it extorts hard earned >money from defenceless civilians at gun point? *** People of Assam have a far greater legitimacy over its ownership of Assam than the pretensions of those from Bihar or Tamil-Nadu or Gujarat or Rajasthan. ULFA being constituted of people from Assam, and having been supported by a significant segment of its population therefore could assert such a right UNDER the CIRCUMSTANCES of the insurgency. It could be farther qualified by the fact that ULFA collects these 'taxes' from only SOME people, not ALL by any means, unlike India attempts to, but gives a free pass to those who are most able to pay with a wink and a nod -- extorting from the many and redistributing a small part of it to a privileged few, whether by design or by default. Is ULFA collecting its type of taxes legal? That would depend upon whose laws one would be referring to. If an attempt is made to judge it on the basis of Indian laws, it is a moot point, since ULFA does not recognize Indian controls over Assam. Hope it helps. At 10:03 AM -0800 1/24/06, Rajib Das wrote: >As usual, you have skirted the main issue about this >discussion. We all know the usual views you hold and I >hold. So let's attempt to focus on what we started off >discussing, shall we? > >Let me reiterate. > >1. You said India listens to violence. And I said no, >it does not, so long as it does not hurt India bad >enough. > >2. I also said ULFA does not have the capability to >hurt India bad enough to bring it to its knees. > >3. The only people hurting with all this violence >therefore are the people of Assam. The ULFA does have >the capability to render Assam unstable and hurt the >people real bad and that, it has proven. > >This is essentially what we are arguing. > >Let's forget for a moment about 'poitrik xompotti', >GOI intentions, ULFA's intentions, God's intentions, >Hindu intentions etc. etc. And let's fall back on >reality to say yay or nay on these points alone. > >By the way, as a footnote, here is a question: Is it >ULFA's 'poitrik xompotti' that it extorts hard earned >money from defenceless civilians at gun point? > > > >> > >"But I guess some >> >folks are slow learners, if at all learners." >> >> >> *** And I stand by my assessment and rest my case. >> > > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That is deep! >> >> >First off, India does not pay heed to violence. >> >> Heh, heh! Tell it to the judge! >> >> >> > >You >> >can go do as much violence as you want and the >> federal >> >Indian government will not budge on core issues. >> >> >> *** Yeah, sure! Real estate is more important than >> people. But we >> knew that . It runs in Hindu veins! >> >> >> > The ULFA has been reduced to, at best, a feeble >> force. >> >> *** So resort to taunting, when the going gets >> rough! >> >> >> > >Its violence is >> >limited to keeping Assam unstable - blowing up >> >pipelines here and there, doing extortion on >> >defenceless civilians and doing a few bomb blasts >> >every Republic day. >> >> *** Just so Indian colonialists could hold on to its >> 'poitrik xompotti' >> ( ancestral property) of the real estate of Assam, >> to hell with the >> lives of people! Just like in Kashmir. >> >> >> >India can contain this violence till eternity. >> >> *** Contain? That damned English language problem >> again isn't it? It >> is CONTAINING it? How about NOT GIVING a damn about >> what happens to >> the people of Assam, as long as India's control of >> Assam's land and >> its resources are preserved? >> >> >> >> > >Unless ULFA is able >> >to ratchet up the violence big time in a short >> duration, i >> >> >> *** Isn't that noble? Taunt ULFA to RATCHET up the >> violence? Surely >> shows the intellectual depth of the taunter here. >> >> >> >> > >As a result, one needs to understand the real >> gains >> >versus the real losses you get from this violence. >> >> >> *** As in maintain the status quo, NOT give in to >> Assam's discontent >> and make peace? With friends like that Assam hardly >> needs enemies. >> >> >> >> > >"But I guess some >> >folks are slow learners, if at all learners." >> >> >> *** And I stand by my assessment and rest my case. >> >> >> >> cm >> >> >> At 5:54 PM -0800 1/23/06, Rajib Das wrote: >> >And therein lies the detachment from reality. >> > >> >First off, India does not pay heed to violence. You >> >can go do as much violence as you want and the >> federal >> >Indian government will not budge on core issues. >> Not >> >unless it is in danger of breaking up. And it isn't >> >breaking up any time soon - even in the detractors' >> >dreams. >> > >> >Secondly the level of violence. The ULFA has been >> >reduced to, at best, a feeble force. Its violence >> is >> >limited to keeping Assam unstable - blowing up >> >pipelines here and there, doing extortion on >> >defenceless civilians and doing a few bomb blasts >> >every Republic day. India can contain this violence >> >till eternity. All ULFA's violence is capable of at >> >this point is keeping the state unstable and >> denying >> >the people of Assam a stable environment to go >> develop >> >productive lives for themselves. Unless ULFA is >> able >> >to ratchet up the violence big time in a short >> >duration, it's prospects are as bad as trying to >> >expect humongous growth in baby products in the >> >Japanese market. >> > >> >As a result, one needs to understand the real gains >> >versus the real losses you get from this violence. >> Any >> >which way you do the math, the people of Assam are >> way >> >worse off than if we had this violence. >> > >> >Unfortunately, to use C-da's words, "But I guess >> some >> >folks are slow learners, if at all learners." >> > >> > >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> >Its for us to read between the lines :) >> >> >> >> *** Yes, indeed. >> >> >> >> >> >> And when *I* do that, I never cease to ANNOY, >> even >> >> upset, so many of >> >> our good friends to all heck, eliciting scathing >> >> criticisms, not to >> >> mention aspersions to be cast on my motives and >> >> judgements on my >> >> character and attitudes :-)! > > >> >> >> >> >> >You think its the 'VIOLENCE' gets Delhi's >> >> attention. >> >> >> >> *** I don't just think so, Ram -- I believe so. >> It >> >> is much too >> >> obvious from decades of what has been going on >> >> across the length and >> >> breadth of ALL of India, to believe otherwise. >> But I >> >> also know that >> >> the power of self-suggestion is very strong. >> Many a >> >> fine Indian lulls >> >> oneself to a torpor, unable to see what stares >> one >> >> in the face. >> >> >> >> >> >> >In that case, the ULFA should go all out on a >> >> rampage - they may >> >> >even realize >the dream, don't you think? That >> will >> >> teach Delhi a >> >> >lesson, right. >> >> >> >> *** Ram, it is this kind of reasoning, from >> > > otherwise able >> >> people,that elicits verbal-mayhem in Assam Net >> :-). >> >> Just like GoI >> >> actions and inaction have spawned the numerous >> >> insurgencies and >> >> rebellions ever since independence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >So, now that the date has been announced, the >> ULFA >> >> will presumbly >> >> >cease and >desist, right? >> >> >> >> *** I can't read ULFA's mind and they don't ask >> for >> >> my advice or >> >> consent. But if I were to be in their shoes,in a >> >> grossly asymmetrical >> >> warfare with an overwhelmingly more powerful >> >> adversary, I certainly >> >> won't let their detractors know what to expect >> next. >> >> Would you? >> >> Pre-determined, cause and effect responses with >> >> predictable stances >> >> these could not be. >> >> >> >> One might have thought the decision makers at >> Delhi >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
