>What we need is a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD where both will
duel with identical tools- Tax, Army,Police, Babus. Winner will take all.
I second the motion.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:37
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Dainik
Agradoot
<<1)The legitimate govt is failing
and is becoming non accountable to the people.
2)The Insurgents come in and doing the
same. It is extorting money from public and spending on its own way without
being accountable to the people.>>
May I join the happy chat?
What we need is a LEVEL PLAYING
FIELD where both will duel with identical tools- Tax, Army,Police,
Babus. Winner will take all.
mm
From: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ram
Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Chan Mahanta"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: Assam Organisation
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Dainik
Agradoot
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:59:30 -0600
>Insurgents are so, because they DO NOT abide by the rules
of the game played by the so called legitimate govts.
>And thus they cannot be held accountable, however
much you wished or demanded.
>That is why insurgencies are not a permanent
solution to society's needs >for governance.
You have indicated in above that the
Insurgents are acting at least as 'TEMPORARY' solutions to
societies needs or governance.
I failed to see how.
If the failure of the legitimate govt
is in its lack of accountability to the people, how any insurgents who
decide not to abide by the rule and refuse to have any accountability will
be even a TEMPORARY solution for the governance or the needs of the
people?
Common garden variety logic will look
at it this way:
1)The legitimate govt is failing and
is becoming non accountable to the people.
2)The Insurgents come in and doing the
same. It is extorting money from public and spending on its own way without
being accountable to the people.
Now please tell me, how in the
above, the insurgents are helping any governance or need of the people
even TEMPORARILY.
Normally one would think that it will
make two parallel govts, one legitimate and one illegitimate, both of which
are not accountable to the people.
I fail to see how in the above
process the insurgency can be even a TEMPORARY solution for
governance of the people?
It bits my rational
logic.
And when you say,
>That is why
so many are pressing and hoping for a political
settlement.
I believe you are not including the Insurgents in the 'so many'.
Because if you are, then the Insurgents can very well execute the political
solution by stopping Insurgency.
Otherwise, what political solution you mean?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:25
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Dainik
Agradoot
Ram:
Butt right in.
But first things first: What does your thesis have to do with the
QUESTION raised by Mayur?
Insurgents are so, because they DO NOT abide by the rules of the game
played by the so called legitimate govts.
And thus they cannot be held accountable, however much you wished or
demanded. That is why insurgencies are not a permanent solution to
society's needs for governance. That is why so many are pressing and
hoping for a political settlement.
But does that ABSOLVE the so-called 'legitimate' authorities of
their accountability?
You imply it does. If so, why all the gushing of righteous
indignation? They are all the same, aren't they?
I would submit, India's myriads of insurgencies are a DIRECT result
of the misrule and unaccountable nature of desi-governance.
RB's argument is a childish one at best. I would refrain from using a
more appropriate characterization on account of civility. Attempts at
literal interpretation of semantics to argue the merits of an issue
such as the insurgencies of the NE, is a pointless, futile and ludicrous
effort at best, unlikely to persuade anyone to anything.
c-da
At 9:32 AM -0600 1/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da, Mayur
Could I butt in a bit:
>*** Did the two killers/attackers have brands on
their foreheads
>
forever assuring the outraged like yourself that they were
ULFA
> and
not anything else?
No the don't. But that is the advantage of being an
insurgent.
They don't wear uniforms
They can mix in easily with the innocent
They can hit and run (and hide among the
innocent)
When its is advantageous, they can claim a bombing
or a murder or an extortion.
If public winds blow the other way, they can always
claim 'it wasn't US, it was the SULFA, the Army pretending to be us and
so on).
RB (Rajen Barua) brought out a very good point the
other day, when you claimed that the ULFA has been running a parallel
government for decades.
If that is so, why didn't this parallel government
SHOW the inept GOA or the GOI what things a government can
do.
Why don't they teach the GOI/GOA a thing or two
about democracy and governance?
All this parallel govt. has shown the people of
Assam is the expertise in the arts of extortion, murder, hide
and seek, and mayhem. If the GOI and GOA are corrupt and inept, this
parallel Govt. shows us the pitfalls of buying into their 'lofty
ideals'.
We often talk about "accountability" (at least C'da
does), and rightly so.
So C'da, why don't you ask the ULFA for some of the
same accountability of where all the money they looted for 25+ years has
gone and all the murders they have committed. (or haven't they killed
anyone innocent at all?).
--Ram
On 1/20/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hi Mayur:
>By being 'analytical', I don't want to
belittle the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in response
to
the dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by
'the
>sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's
independence.
*** I don't think I or anyone else suggested you
do.
But having stood by the bravery of the two kids, WHERE is
the rest of your 'analytical' assessment of the report?
Certainly not what you wrote below. Or do you consider
that an analytical assessment of the report in the Agradoot ?
Personally I consider that a diatribe, a shooting off of your mouth
against MRG, without any demonstration of any analytical ability on
your part. See Mayur, epithet slinging does not substitute for
thoughtful deliberation of an issue. I would have hoped someone of
your caliber, training and position in society would be cognizant of
that.
Anyway, allow me to share MY views of the REPORT in the
Agradoot:
*** I join you
in recognizing the valor of the two Bodo kids.
*** I hold
judgement on GoI's acts of generosity in felicitating
them with
heroes' welcome, if not trash it outright as yet another
thoroughly
hypocritical bit of shameless propaganda.
Why, you would
ask I am sure? For the simple reason of numerous acts
of governmental
terrorism that GoI has perpetrated on people of Assam
while never
ceasing to spout fealty to democratic principles. If you
need further
explanation of it, do ask I will be pleased to furnish.
But be
forewarned :-), that such display of ignorance carries a
price
too, of one's
naivete, biases and lack of credibility.
I will add one
more item to it: Remember the case of the unarmed
villagers ( I
forget in Kamrup or Barpeta) a couple of years back,
when they
attacked a group of armed marauders, who later turned
out to be
Indian Army soldiers, without uniform,who then open fire
on
the villagers
killing several and wounding many.
Did you
hear of the GoI holding these unarmed villagers as heroes
defending
themselves from armed thugs? Did the GOI undertake
a judicial
investigation and deliver justice? If they did what was it?
Did the Assam
rags report on it, the same rags that you wave at us
today with the
two kids' heroism?
*** What did
the report tell you or me about WHY the school
teacher was
attacked and/or executed by these so-called ULFA men?
Because they
did not like him/them? Because he/they did not pay ransom?
He/they had
some other feud between them? It is obvious you are
ignorant of one
of the fundamentals of justice that when one is charged
with a
particular crime, MOTIVES must be demonstrated for
conviction.
Just
because the police says, or the rags report, that it
was
perpetrated by
ULFA, (and of course thus all heinous motives could
be attributed
to them) and so justice is done; is not adequate
information for
discerning viewers to judge it.
Sorry to see
you ( and all those others in your shoes) are still
not there
yet.
*** Did the two
killers/attackers have brands on their foreheads
forever
assuring the outraged like yourself that they were ULFA
and not
anything else? And if they did not, was it determined
from
investigations, prosecution in a court of law ( not the
kangaroo
variety now) and justice delivered that indeed they
were ULFA,
perpetrated the crime on credibly delineated
motive/s?
If so HOW do
YOU or the Agradoot knows that? Did they share that
info., or is it
privileged info. meant only for the righteous
like
yourselves?
*** This is not
an argument: But I also want to rub it in on some of
our
baam-exparts ( wannabe experts) who have contended time and
again
that the Bodos
refuse to be a part of Assam and thus would imply
that they also
would have no part of ULFA. If so how is it that
these
two Bodo men
are branded 'durdhorxo' ULFA ?
Finally, I will however would NOT hesitate to declare,
that if it was a blood-thirsty criminal act of killing this teacher in
cold blood without any perceptible motive, perpetrated by some real
ULFA cadres, it is unconscionable.
But something tells me there is a whole lot more to the
story than meets the eye. And those of us who are ready to pass
judgement without wanting to know more, if not all about it, have a
lot of growing up to do intellectually.
You asked for it Mayur :-).
Take care,
c-da
PS: I would spare you today on your diatribe against
MRG. But don't expect a free pass next time :-).
At 11:48 PM -0800 1/19/06, mayur bora wrote:
C' da
Hor are you ? Writing for the first
time in the new
year.
By being 'analytical', I don't want to belittle
the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in response to
the
dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by 'the
sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's independence.
I
will not be surprised if MRG gets influenced
and
starts acknowledging Dhemaji Misdeeds of your
freedom
fighters as 'normal' after reading some of the
recent
posts in assamnet. I can only hope that she does
not
come near a computer in the near future. Like
any
responsible citizen in society, she is entitled to
have
her own viewpoints regarding anything. But she
must be very
careful in making public pronouncements
as she is trying to bring
about much needed peace in
Assam by facilitating talks beween GoI
and ULFA
through PCG. She should not give opportunity to
others
to accuse her of derailing the talks in future
by
recklessly shooting off her mouth.
Mayur
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