DEAR MM DA ULTIMATELY YOU END UP SHOWING THE BLATANT CONTRADICTION PLAGUING YOUR THOUGHTS.
THE OPINION WAS MADE BY SAURAV WHOM YOU ADMIRE AS MR ANALYSIS.OF COURSE, I AGREE WITH SAURAV COMPLETELY ON THIS ISSUE. KINDLY BE HYPER CRYPTIC AND VAGUE WHERE YOU EXCEL. OTHERWISE PEOPLE LIKE ME WILL GET A CHANCE TO EXPOSE THE HOLLOWNESS OF YOUR THOUGHTS WHICH I PERSONALLY DON'T LOOK FORWARD. REGARDS MAYUR --- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --------------------------------- <<foremost among them is the inability of the assamese to solve the inter-ethnic conflicts in the region>>> This is standard RAW/Sanjoy Hazarika lingo. Actually non-existent, -Planted every time.India finally loses and becomes that much of a laughing stock . mm --------------------------------- From: mayur bora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: SP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Himendra Thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: [Assam] invasion and threat to the assamese Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 04:08:30 -0800 (PST) >the problem for >the assamese people come from a variety of other >sources. > >foremost among them is the inability of the assamese >to solve the >inter-ethnic conflicts in the region. historically, >those who claimed >to speak for the assamese have neither convinced >anyone that their >problems are problems for the ethnic groups too, nor >have they >accepted the problems faced by ethnic groups as their >own. even today, >as the ethnic conflicts are increasing, the assamese >are largely silent >and seem to have no opinion. > >I DON'T THINK ANY SENSIBLE PERSON WOULD DISPUTE THE >ABOVE FACT. SOMETIME BACK, IN MY MAIDEN MAIL TO >ASSAMNET, I MENTIONED THIS AS ONE OF THE MAIN >WEAKNESSES OF THE ASSAMESE. > >HOWEVER AT THE SAME TIME, ONE SHOULD NOT TRY TO PUT >THE ISSUE OF BANGLADESHI INFILTRATION INTO ASSAM UNDER >THE CARPET. IT ASSUMES GREATER SIGNIFICANCE WHEN IT >WAS ATTEMPTED TO BE SHOWN IN THE MIDST OF A WELL >WRITTEN POST THAT SINCE NOTHING CAN BE DONE, LET US >CLOSE OUR EYES TO THIS BURNING PROBLEM WHICH CAN >JEOPARDISE OR AT LEAST UNDERMINE THE EXISTENCE OF >ASSAMESE BY OUTNUMBERING THEM IN FUTURE IF THE PRESENT >SITUATION CONTINUES UNABATED. MY VIEWS ARE VERY CLEAR >ON THIS TROUBLING ISSUE. > >1. AS RIGHTLY POINTED OUT BY SAURAV, IT IS MORE OF AN >ECONOMIC ISSUE THAN ANY CONSCIOUS ATTEMPT AT NATION >BUILDING ON RELIGIOUS LINES. > >2. HINDUTVA GANG SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FISH IN >TROUBLED WATER IN ASSAM IN THE NAME OF PROTECTING >HINDUISM AND CREATING FURTHER CHAOS. LET THEIR >ACTIVITIES BE RESTRICTED TO OTHER SIDE OF THE >GEOGRAPHICAL CHICKENNECK CONNECTING ASSAM TO OTHER >PARTS OF INDIA. > >3. I DON'T THINK ANY EFFORT TO DETECT AND DEPORT >IMMIGRANT ON THE BASIS OF ANY CUT OFF DATE IS >PRACTICAL AND IMPLEMENTABLE. > >4. BECAUSE EVEN IF WE SUCCEED IN DETECTING SOME, >WHETHER BANGLADESH IS GOING TO ACCEPT THEM ? IT MAY >SNOWBALL INTO AN AVOIDABLE INETRNATIONAL ISSUE WITHOUT >ANY POSITIVE IMPACT ON ASSAM. > >5. LET US BE PRACTICAL AND TRY TO LOOK FOR A SOLUTION >ABOUT HOW TO STOP INFILTRATION THROUGH THE POROUS >BORDER FROM NOW ONWARDS. >IT WOULD NO DOUBT BE A HERCULEAN TASK KEEPING IN VIEW >THE KIND OF RESPONSE IT MAY ELICIT FROM GOI, GOA OR >ULFA. EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN >MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO. > >ALL SAID AND DONE, IT IS A BIG PROBLEM STARING >OMINOUSLY AT COLLECTIVE FACE OF ASSAMESE AND LET US >NOT TRY TO BELITTLE THIS ISSUE, MAY BE IN AN ATTEMPT >TO OVERANALYSE THE SITUATION AND IDENTIFY NEW (OF >COURSE GENUINE) PROBLEMS. > >REST I CAN'T AGREE MORE WITH SAURAV. VERY BALANCED AND >THOUGHTFUL REJOINDER TO HIMEN DA'S ARTICLE. > >MAYUR > >--- SP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > dear himendra-da, > > > > > > Himendra Thakur said on AssamNet: > > > > > > + Dear Saurav, > > + > > + I never mentioned that the attack in Saraighat > > was made by Muslims. Please > > + check it out carefully. Please also find out why > > you missed this very vital > > + point. > > + > > + I was very definite to point out that the attack > > was made by Invaders . the > > + same invaders who attacked India in 1193 (& again > > in 1526.) These were > > + Islamic invaders from outside India. Nothing is > > "muddled up" in this > > + statement. > > + > > > > though you assert you mentioned invaders and not > > muslims, the rest of > > your post was fixated on muslims. you seem to be > > pointing at the muslims > > not by name but by implication. and believe me, the > > implication is very > > transparent. > > > > still, "invader" too has serious problems. the > > muslims came to be > > called yavana, but the word was originally used for > > the greeks and > > the scythians (origin: ionia). the rajputs and > > other militant groups > > in northwest india are descendents of the scythians > > (sakas), and they > > too were invaders at some point and were called > > yavanas. > > > > btw, "thakur" comes from the scythian subgroup > > thukarian!! > > > > atan burhagohain, in whose name you want to build a > > xako, was a descendent > > of "invaders" who came in 1228. just as aurangzeb > > was a descendent of > > "invaders" who came in 1526. > > > > > > + After the 1193 attack, the invaders, having the > > advantage of excellent > > + cavalry equipped with Arab horses, spread over > > the Indo-Gangetic plains at a > > + very high speed. Defeating all local rulers, they > > arrived in Bihar by 1200 > > + AD (about 1400 miles in 7 years, @ 200 miles per > > year) and, after beheading > > + the Buddhist scholars, they burnt down Nalanda > > University. They proceeded > > + further to the East. They occupied Bengal in > > 1205. They were stopped in > > + Assam. These are historical records. > > > > > > invasions are common occurances in historical times > > and are legitimate > > steps in new nation building. they do not negate > > legitimacy. the most > > beautiful example is assam. > > > > > > + Under the early Islamic rule, a new custom, > > called Jawhar-Vrata, got started > > + in the Indo-Gangetic plains: groups of Hindu > > women would jump into a bonfire > > + to evade molestation. The historical record of > > Jawhar Vrata ( not present in > > + pre-Islamic India) proves the degree of atrocity > > by the Islamic invaders. > > + > > > > jauhar is a custom and ritual found exclusively in > > the desert regions of > > rajasthan and not in the indo-gangetic plains. the > > most celebrated incident > > involved the rajput queen padmini. but that tells > > only half the story. > > in the 13th century a rajput army cornered by turks > > decided to > > immolate all those who could not fight, women, > > children and the infirm, > > ground to dust the diamonds in their possession, > > melt the gold and silver, > > destroy all provisions and then go out to battle and > > die. > > > > as a military strategy, there is a term for > > this---scorched earth policy. > > it worked wonders, especially in the desert, where > > invading armies > > depended heavily on captured provisions and treasure > > to sustain themselves > > in the short term and make profit in the long run. > > that this strategy > > worked in the desert regions is no surprise, which > > further explains why > > the custom did not become popular elsewhere. > > > > before you make it into a hindu-muslim issue, take > > into consideration > > the facts that jauhar had a military origin, that it > > was geographically > > localized mainly to the desert regions, that it was > > identified with just > > one varna (kshatriya) and that too an ethnic > > subsection of it (rajputs) > > and that women did not have a large say in it---some > > were forcibly > > immolated and even killed by the sword. > > > > > > + What I wrote above are historical facts. I am now > > going make an assumption > > + that, under the early Islamic rule in > > Indo-Gangetic plains, if a Hindu > > + family had five brothers, two would convert to > > Islam to protect the > > + remaining three. That was how the Indian Muslims > > started. They protected the > > + Hindus on one hand, and cooled down the > > ruthlessness of the Invaders on the > > + other hand. > > + > > + The above assumption is based on the fact that, > > unlike Persia, land of > > + Zoroastrian population, which became completely > > Islamized, Hindus survived > > + in India, thanks to their Muslim brothers. > > Another historical fact is that, > > + in the later years, the Invaders softened to a > > great extent. > > + > > + However, the Hindus could survive under Islamic > > Rule only by playing a > > + double standard: one opinion inside the house, > > and a very different opinion > > + outside. Another survival skill was the capacity > > to change the meaning of a > > + spoken word: if a Hindu said something against > > the Sultan and was challenged > > + by a Sultan's katwal, the Hindu must be able to > > change the meaning of what > > + he said, just to save his neck. Running for > > several centuries, these habits > > + have become second-nature of the people of the > > Indo-Gangetic plains, which > > + can be observed even today. Hindus were > > definitely living a life of > > + second-class citizen under Islamic rule. No > > wonder such a situation gave > > + rise to quislings and petains and pierre lavals > > who prospered by exploiting > > + their fellow countrymen. > > > > > > that your view on medieval india is based on a > > hindu-muslim dichotomy > > is best exemplified in the three paragraphs above. > > they are imaginary > > and fantastic to say the least. > > > > > > + My great anxiety is the danger that Assamese > > people are facing due to the > > + huge number of Bangladeshi infiltrators. The > > anxiety is based on > > + geopolitical forces. My great fear is that the > > landmass of Assam will become > > + like Kashmir or Chittagong Hill District. My > > great fear is that Assamese > > + people will become like Kashmiri refugees now > > living in the streets of Delhi > > + or Lucknow, or Chakma refugees who are being > > driven out from place to place. > > > > your characterization of the threat to the assamese > > people was the main > > reason for this and the previous post. so here is > > my brief take on > > it. > > > > the kashmir problem is more than the hindu-muslim > > problem that you > > make it out to be. i don't want to recount well > > known history---sheikh > > abdullah's stand on pakistan and national > > conference's rejection of > > the muslim league's proposal. the latest problems > > stem >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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