>>> should instead focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam.
>*** Where does this obligation come from? WHY don't the people who are demanding this from others do that >themselves for example? WHY >don't the OTHER people of Assam DO that? Or WHY don't the INDIANs who OWN Assam ( or act like owning Assam) and exploit it do that? WHY >don't those WHO JUSTIFY Assam remaining an Indian colony sdon't do that?
I thought the suggestion was clear from what you wrote above (remember the subject matter was questioning why NRA's don't concern themselves with revenue generating.......)
*** Language Ram, language! And spinning :-).
Nothing above means or implies EVEN remotely that I
"--WANT all other NRA's to invest in Assam"
>or when you want all other NRAs to invest in
Assam, but you yourself find it difficult to >invest your
hard-earned money and expertise in Assam.
I asked questions on about why all of the various people (
including NRAs who JUSTIFY Assam remaining a colony of India" are
not asked to do the investing, since the implication of the demand of
the writer is clearly that, these folks
ought not to TALK of ULFA, but instead do like India is
doing--going like gang-busters turning it into a business boom
elsewhere, leaving Assam behind.
>Why would anyone invest in a place where their investments are NOT secure?
>Why do you think many of the Marwaris businesses have
left Assam for better >pastures.
*** Have they? Are you too suggesting I was born yesterday Ram
:-)?
But what about the PRE-ULFA days. Were were the
investements--unlike TRADING that is, before ULFA happened?
>It is simple C'da, when investments are NOT secure the cost
of business becomes >prohibitive, businesses move.
*** Is that why 90% Assam's businesses are controlled by
outsiders?
>Right now, the most thriving business in Assam is
'trading'.
*** And why is the COST of trading not effected by that
'insecurity'? Why is it THRIVING in spite of ULFA? Isn't there a
glaring dissonance between your arguments Ram?
c-da
At 9:55 AM -0600 2/2/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>*** And where did you see me WANTING all other NRA's to invest in Assam? Not that I would have anything >AGAINST that. But when or where did I demand that or suggest that it be demanded?
>> should instead focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam.
>*** Where does this obligation come from? WHY don't the people who are demanding this from others do that >themselves for example? WHY >don't the OTHER people of Assam DO that? Or WHY don't the INDIANs who OWN Assam ( or act like owning Assam) and exploit it do that? WHY >don't those WHO JUSTIFY Assam remaining an Indian colony sdon't do that?
I thought the suggestion was clear from what you wrote above (remember the subject matter was questioning why NRA's don't concern themselves with revenue generating.......)
*** Your verdict would be a whole lot easier to swallow if would tell us a bit about your investment/entrepreneurial expertises :-).
Hehe! Thats an offshoot of my business school background, all those 'failed' entrepreneurial stints and rubbing shoulders with successful business people -:)
Why would anyone invest in a place where their investments are NOT secure?
Why do you think many of the Marwaris businesses have left Assam for better pastures.
It is simple C'da, when investments are NOT secure the cost of business becomes prohibitive, businesses move.
Even if you assume that returns on investments are very high in Assam, it will still not attract huge investments while there is a continuing (and with no end in sight) threat to the investments.
Right now, the most thriving business in Assam is 'trading'.
--Ram
On 2/2/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram,
See my response to Rajib.
>Also it is the height of hypocrisy when you want all other NRAs to invest in Assam, but you yourself find it difficult to invest your hard-earned money and expertise in Assam.
*** And where did you see me WANTING all other NRA's to invest in Assam? Not that I would have anything AGAINST that. But when or where did I demand that or suggest that it be demanded?
>And that is the biggest reason there is very little investment in Assam.
*** Your verdict would be a whole lot easier to swallow if would tell us a bit about your investment/entrepreneurial expertises :-).
c-da
At 8:52 AM -0600 2/2/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>But would it make any imaginable sense for me to go put my hard earned money up in a business in Assam ( or >anywhere else in India), where there is no rule of law, where a contractual obligation cannot be enforced
> ( unless you have some SULFA enforcers in your pay-roll), if someone does not pay you in accordance with the >executed contract -- it is TOUGH s--t; where to get the myriads of permits ( don't you even think of telling me that the >PERMIT-RAJ is history--it is history only in the idle minds of wage earner NRIs) you have to get ready to bribe umpteen >Babus, clerks and peons; unless I have so much stashed away that if I lose a few millions, I won't have to go the poor->house.
Like Rajib said you blame everybody else, BUT ULFA and some other groups. Do you think that ULFA's extortion demans from Assam businesses are imaginary?
Also it is the height of hypocrisy when you want all other NRAs to invest in Assam, but you yourself find it difficult to invest your hard-earned money and expertise in Assam.
What does that tell us? Yes, the business climate in Assam is bad. Problems of bribery, corruption, bureaucracy etc, bad as they are, can still be taken into account if someone wants to invest. But extortion, kidnapping, and killing by ULFA make any investment insecure even in the short haul.
And that is the biggest reason there is very little investment in Assam.
--Ram
On 2/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
>And, if I could add, why don't those who are demanding an independence for Assam DO that too?
*** For the same non-existent connection of one with the other.
Allow me to explain:
Starting and industry or some business or other is not a charitable
enterprise. Having been in a business, albeit small, for the last
19 years, I can say with more credibility than those who have always
had the luxury ( or misfortune) of being a wage earner, that one does
not go about starting a business unless there is a potential for
making more money than they are doing already.
I am a supporter of Assam's sovereignty aspirations. But would it
make any imaginable sense for me to go put my hard earned money up
in a business in Assam ( or anywhere else in India), where there
is no rule of law, where a contractual obligation cannot be enforced
( unless you have some SULFA enforcers in your pay-roll), if
someone does not pay you in accordance with the executed contract
-- it is TOUGH s--t; where to get the myriads of permits ( don't
you even think of telling me that the PERMIT-RAJ is history--it
is history only in the idle minds of wage earner NRIs) you have
to get ready to bribe umpteen Babus, clerks and peons; unless I
have so much stashed away that if I lose a few millions, I won't
have to go the poor-house.
So these arguments are made and supported ONLY by people who have
NO clue as to what it takes to start an enterprise, particularly
in India/Assam.
But a I said earlier, if someone actually in a money-making business
can tell me that my risks would be no more than I take here in the USAor my returns would be at least at par with what I can expect here,
why should I even think about getting into a business in Assam?
After all I am a businessman, ain't I?
Catch my drift ?
>C'da, frankly we are all responsible (in some way or the other) fo
*** Speak for yourself Ram :-)!
c-da
At 5:30 PM -0600 2/1/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>> I dont think it is justified to comment (trivially) about the ULFA and its activities by us people who stay outside >Assam.
>*** This is an absurd comment. WHY on earth should it be 'unjustifiable' for people who live outside Assam ? And why should those who live in the UK or the USA be so discriminated specifically?
I agree. And would like to add this: Why do people talk trivially about the ULFA? I
s it because the NRAs have no business doing so or is it because many of the ULFA activities do attract such comments from onlookers?
>*** Where does this obligation come from? WHY don't the people who are demanding this from others do that >themselves for example? WHY don't the OTHER people of Assam DO that? Or WHY don't the INDIANs who OWN Assam >( or act like owning Assam) and exploit it do that? WHY don't those WHO JUSTIFY Assam remaining an Indian colony >sdon't do that?
And, if I could add, why don't those who are demanding an independence for Assam DO that too?
C'da, frankly we are all responsible (in some way or the other) for " focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam"
--Ram
On 2/1/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 3:38 PM -0600 2/1/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
> I dont think it is justified to comment (trivially) about the ULFA and its activities by us people who stay outside Assam. The 'elite' Assamese staying mostly in the >USA, UK etc. should instead focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam.
I fully agree with your view.
*** The agreement here is an agreement with something that means nothing.
Why you would surely ask. This is why:
> I dont think it is justified to comment (trivially) about the ULFA and its activities by us people who stay outside >Assam.
*** This is an absurd comment. WHY on earth should it be 'unjustifiable' for people who live outside Assam ? And why should those who live in the UK or the USA be so discriminated specifically?
> should instead focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam.
*** Where does this obligation come from? WHY don't the people who are demanding this from others do that themselves for example? WHY don't the OTHER people of Assam DO that? Or WHY don't the INDIANs who OWN Assam ( or act like owning Assam) and exploit it do that? WHY don't those WHO JUSTIFY Assam remaining an Indian colony sdon't do that?
Why isn't the writer demanding it from THOSE who are benefiting from exploiting Assam's resources to do that? Aren't they the most LOGICAL PEOPLE to do that?
And most of all WHAT is the CONNECTION between commenting on ULFA, trivial or otherwise and an obligation for setting up industries or other revenue generating enterprises?
So this agreement is a meaningless _expression_ of solidarity with an equally meaningless demand is how I see it.
But I will correct myself and tender an apology when someone can explain WHY or HOW I am wrong in my assessments here.
cm
But there are some people who may not agree to that view.
Many think that Independence first, and once we are independent, everything will be solved.
They say no reform is possible unless we change the system.
That is why we donot see any discussions on real projects in the net.
I say to them that is like Buddha's famous fable of the 'Poisoned Arrow'.
I say to them, that is like:
Ahok barixa, katok pat
Roija bhinihi, khaija pat.
I say, we don't have time to wait.RB
----- Original Message -----
From: sumita sarma
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:10 AM
Subject: [Assam] ULFA
I dont think it is justified to comment (trivially) about the ULFA and its activities by us people who stay outside Assam. The 'elite' Assamese staying mostly in the USA, UK etc. should instead focus their energy to set up industries or other job and revenue generating enterprises in Assam.
Many commendable projects have already been in operation in Assam. But we need a lot more, whereby our educated youth can engage in gainful employment in their home state itself.
Also lets try to be more united and genuinely help fellow assamese. Lets come out of our diplomatic ways and of living and our spiteful thoughts and do away with 'bhaal hoise' and 'bhaal lagise' and try to think and act in solid ways to improve our motherland. Let us strive to make assamese community a one to be reckoned with respect in the global civilisation.
Sumita Sarma
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