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>*** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent >company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind.
Well, I am not one of them. I think India would be better of without having to drag Pakistan, B;desh, or Afganistan kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
> >This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country >>belongs(belonged) to them.
> *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA >does not >automatically nullify that right, does it?
Sure it did. But the country was largely developed by the 'immigrants'. And its fine to say that the country belonged to the Indians at one time - but to lay claims now? 'Those were the days' claims boil down to only one thing - nostalgia.
On the practical side, pigs will have to grow wings for the US to give back land to the Indians.
> *** WHY should India concede ANYTHING to these scum of the >earth? Are we >trying to have it both ways again?
Your words, not mine. Actually, you may get your wish -:). There may come a time when you have a PM in India who just doesn't care and really may not concede anything. Remember Indira Gandhi. She put down any and all uprising rather ruthlessly - Punjab, Telengana, Naxalite - you name it. Overnight, hard-core Naxals became erudite professors of literature and political science.
Then, ofcourse we had no 'democracy' - go figure!
>*** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent >company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind.
Well, I am not one of them. I think India would be better of without having to drag Pakistan, B;desh, or Afganistan kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
> >This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country >>belongs(belonged) to them.
> *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA >does not >automatically nullify that right, does it?
Sure it did. But the country was largely developed by the 'immigrants'. And its fine to say that the country belonged to the Indians at one time - but to lay claims now? 'Those were the days' claims boil down to only one thing - nostalgia.
On the practical side, pigs will have to grow wings for the US to give back land to the Indians.
> *** WHY should India concede ANYTHING to these scum of the >earth? Are we >trying to have it both ways again?
Your words, not mine. Actually, you may get your wish -:). There may come a time when you have a PM in India who just doesn't care and really may not concede anything. Remember Indira Gandhi. She put down any and all uprising rather ruthlessly - Punjab, Telengana, Naxalite - you name it. Overnight, hard-core Naxals became erudite professors of literature and political science.
Then, ofcourse we had no 'democracy' - go figure!
Indira Gandhi was at least intelligent, but you could get some guy whose horizon may reach only till Bihar. What do you do then? Wait, I guess till another MM comes along.
All I am saying is, this present PM is the best chance insurgents have had in a long time. First time, someone is willing to at least discuss and trying to understand frayed sentiments in the NE.
Insurgents can remain stubborn and stick to their demands of sovereignty, and more than likely come back empty handed.
Alternatively, they could tone down the rhetoric and seek some plausible/practical way out.
All I am saying is, this present PM is the best chance insurgents have had in a long time. First time, someone is willing to at least discuss and trying to understand frayed sentiments in the NE.
Insurgents can remain stubborn and stick to their demands of sovereignty, and more than likely come back empty handed.
Alternatively, they could tone down the rhetoric and seek some plausible/practical way out.
--Ram
On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> *** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind.
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> *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA does not automatically nullify that right, does it? Canada has made accomodations to its indigenous peoples/nations, and in far more enlightened ways than the USA has.
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> Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India.
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> They know (deep down) that they will never have an Indian Nation - but to keep the rhetoric going is probably good for exacting out things from the Feds.
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> The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future.
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> So, its better for the insurgents and its supporters to see the light of the day and exact things less than 'freedom' from India.
> MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The next PM to see their way again may actually never come.
> They may have to deal with a Lalu Prasad or some crook the next time, who may not have time (or the intelligence) to deal with something as far away as Assam. I hope they don't miss this chance with the present Indian administration.
> Already it looks like the insurgents have bitten off more than they can swallow with the sovereignty demand.
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> On 2/13/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Kashmir, Andaman Nikobar, Kerela and many other states were never parts of present India. Other states like Tamil Nadu etc were parts of India for some of the time. But what that has to do with the prsent. Are you trying to say that your grandfather were rich and therfore I have a right to be rich?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chan Mahanta
> To: Rajen Barua
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Chan Mahanta
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> To: Ram Sarangapani
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> Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM
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> On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Ram Sarangapani
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> To: Barua25
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> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> On 2/13/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: umesh sharma
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> To: [email protected]
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> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM
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> Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> By A Staff Reporter
> GUWAHATI, Feb 12 - The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers.
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On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India.
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> *** I have met those who want to claim that. Would find excellent company in Assam Net. Birds of a feather comes to mind.
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> But the logic! That is what is astounding.
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> >This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country >belongs(belonged) to them.
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> *** And did it not? Just because they are unable to fight the USA does not automatically nullify that right, does it? Canada has made accomodations to its indigenous peoples/nations, and in far more enlightened ways than the USA has.
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> But to compare India's treatment of its colonies of the NE to USA treating its indigenous peoples, not as enlightened as Canada for example, is still akin to comparing 'xorogor tora with pw---or thwpa khohu' (likening a star of the heavens to a hemorrhoids on your you-know-what) as the very colorful Oxomiya simile goes.
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> >The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future.
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> *** WHY should India concede ANYTHING to these scum of the earth? Are we trying to have it both ways again?
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> >MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The next PM to see >their way again may actually never come.
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> *** The same could be the case for India too, couldn't it be?
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> *** Heh-heh! Resort to taunting the insurgents when everything else fails! But they have been at it for twenty years. And look at the Darwan-general's record!
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> Pakistan, Burma (probably), Afganistan, B'desh would all belong to India.
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> This is like American Indians still holding on to the notion that this country belongs(belonged) to them.
> They know (deep down) that they will never have an Indian Nation - but to keep the rhetoric going is probably good for exacting out things from the Feds.
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> The fact is Assam (and the rest of the NE states) like every other state in the country will remain intact with India for the forseeable future.
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> So, its better for the insurgents and its supporters to see the light of the day and exact things less than 'freedom' from India.
> MM Singh is probably the best person they can hope for. The next PM to see their way again may actually never come.
> They may have to deal with a Lalu Prasad or some crook the next time, who may not have time (or the intelligence) to deal with something as far away as Assam. I hope they don't miss this chance with the present Indian administration.
> Already it looks like the insurgents have bitten off more than they can swallow with the sovereignty demand.
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> On 2/13/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> It has because you asked the question.
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> >WHY should those states that ARE India, should be seeking to be independent?
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> >It nmever WAS a part of India!
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> You mean in the past? But it is now a part of India. Let us talk of the present.
> Nagaland, Manipur, Tripura, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Sikkim, Kashmir, Andaman Nikobar, Kerela and many other states were never parts of present India. Other states like Tamil Nadu etc were parts of India for some of the time. But what that has to do with the prsent. Are you trying to say that your grandfather were rich and therfore I have a right to be rich?
> RB
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chan Mahanta
> To: Rajen Barua
> Cc: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> >Now the question is how do we find out which other states are India and non-India states?
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> Assam I would presume you would like to catagorise as a non-India state.
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> RB
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Chan Mahanta
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> To: Rajen Barua
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:29 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> RB
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Chan Mahanta
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> To: Rajen Barua
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> Cc: [email protected]
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:17 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Chan Mahanta
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> To: Ram Sarangapani
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> Cc: Rajen Barua ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> On 2/13/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Ram Sarangapani
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> To: Barua25
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> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
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> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> Barua,
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> On 2/13/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >He cited the recent violence perpetrated by security personnel in Kamakhya and said that the incident was not highlighted the way it should have been. Placing the blame on opinion->makers and political leaders, he said that they have failed to project regional concerns in the national limelight.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: umesh sharma
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> To: [email protected]
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> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:42 PM
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> Subject: [Assam] AT: 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
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> 'Regional issues don't get priority in national media'
> By A Staff Reporter
> GUWAHATI, Feb 12 - The media in India has changed today, to the extent that the distinction between regional and national media is getting blurred. It can even be said that the regional media has evolved to penetrate larger segments, which were hitherto the domain of the national media. This was stated by Arnab Goswami, Chief Editor of Times NOW, the recently launched news channel of the Times of India group, while delivering the keynote address at a function organised to celebrate the golden jubilee of Asam Bani, the Assamese weekly published by the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers.
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> In his welcome address, Tulsi Govinda Baruah, Chairman of the Assam Tribune Group of Newspapers said that the golden jubilee of Asam Bani was a memorable occasion, because not many newspapers could achieve this status. Referring to the path-breaking role of the weekly, he stated that the Asam Bani was one of the first newspapers to give voice to the common people. It had a seminal role to play in providing a platform to women writers and women's issues. He appreciated founder editor Satis Chandra Kakati's role in giving a definitive shape to the weekly.
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