At 3:21 PM -0800 2/15/06, Ganesh C Bora wrote: >C'da: >Actually I have no problem if RSS can stop conversion >of Tribals into Christianity.
*** WHY do you want that stopped Ganesh? Aren't people supposed to be free to worship the God of their choice in India, and accept the religion they choose to? Or is it really not so? Why would YOU want to impose YOUR religion on someone else? How would you react if you wanted to convert to Islam and your neighbors won't let you? > I always have pain to >learn that Christian Missionaries serves only those >tribal areas who are 'willing' to convert. *** First off, WHERE on earth did you learn that from Ganesh? Have you ever attempted to verify if that is a FACT ? And secondly, EVEN if that is for a fact, what gives YOU or me or the RSS the right to take issue with that? How can you or I or the RSS dicate to the Christians WHO or WHERE they must serve? Finally, *I* can tell you that this charge of >"-- only those >tribal areas who are 'willing' to convert." --is a bald-faced lie, a fabrication! How do I know that? Because I went to a school run by Catholic missionaries. I was a boarding school student. I know of the services they provided, first hand, to me and so many others who had nothing to do with being a Christian. I also know of all the ignorant people who used to ask me if I had been converted to a Christian, or if I was asked to or forced to. >Terrorism is always bad. Did you not notice MINORITY >terrorism during more than 5 decades of Congress rule. *** No I did NOT Ganesh. How could a 13% minority terrorize the rest of 87% of India , can you explain? And if they DID indeed terrorize the rest where was the GOVERNMENT? Why dd it not do anything about it? And if you are attempting to suggest that the ruling party let such 'terrorism' reign with impunity, why did the people keep them in power you think? Or are you going to suggest that the minority prevented the majority from exercising their democratic powers ? That would be a rather sorry excuse Ganesh. >Definitely that led to the birth of majority >terrorism. Moreover majority terrorism is lesser devil >than minority terrorism. *** Oh really? That is new to me Ganesh. c-da > >Ganesh > > >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Sorry Ganesh, I forgot to complete the previous >> reply: >> >> The points you missed are: >> >> A: the egregious politics of religion as is being >> played out in Gujarat. >> B: Tyranny of the religious majority. >> >> C: Religious terrorism, as demonstrated in: >> >> "The main objective is to put a full stop >> to conversion of tribals." >> >> The second paragraph there is a denunciation of the >> Christian church. You learn that the slogan Hindu >> jagao, Christi bhagao has become 'popular' in the >> Dangs >> >> I have come here to drive away those who have come >> here to serve." >> >> Dharmantran aur jehad ke vichaar ko >> vishwa se nirmool karenge (We will remove >> conversions and the jehadi >> mentality from this world). >> >> E: Fake public service: >> >> Oh, but plenty of village homes were lit by fires >> and >> oil lamps. Some families used to have electricity >> and meters but >> could not pay their bills. Why? One farmer told us >> that bills only >> came once in two years, thus for large amounts like >> Rs 12,000. Unable >> to pay - they could have managed smaller monthly >> bills - their meters >> and supply were taken away. >> So I have no idea what shabarikumbh.org means by >> claiming that all >> 352 villages have been electrifi >> >> And later, as we drive past dark villages like >> Mukhammal and Jarsol >> where meters were installed, then ripped out, we >> can see brightness >> on that hill. Yes, the not-yet-finished temple has >> lights at night. >> The villages don't >> >> >> >> At 2:49 PM -0800 2/14/06, Ganesh C Bora wrote: >> >C'da: >> > >> >I was trying to find what message the writer wants >> the >> >reader to get. Is it > > >- The Shabari Kumbh mela should not be there? >> >- The only backward place in India? >> >- The organizer is RSS or affiliated organizations? >> > >> >Have the writer ever visited 'Sahitya Sabha >> Odhibexon' >> >in Assam? It is the same case. The place gets a >> >face-lift. That is the reason why a place wants to >> >organize such a MELA. >> > >> >Ganesh >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> When It Comes To Power The RSS Knows Its Gods >> >> >> >> Why this hostility around an inspirational >> story >> >> from a great epic? >> >> >> >> By Dilip D'Souza >> >> >> >> Dilip D'Souza >> >> The road to Ahwa gets worse as we get closer to >> the >> >> little town. We >> >> can tell as much by the light of a full >> Sankrant >> >> moon, playing >> >> peekaboo as we wind through the hills; >> brilliant >> >> burnt orange when we >> >> first see it low on the horizon, gleaming >> silver >> >> high into the sky as >> >> the night wears on. Though really, I don't need >> the >> >> moon to tell me >> >> how bad the road is. The bumps suffice. >> >> >> >> On the right along one stretch, there's >> nothing >> >> between us and the >> >> dull gleam of a river. But wait, what are those >> >> flickers of orange >> >> just beyond the road's edge? Small fires. We've >> seen >> >> plenty of those, >> >> clumps of people huddled around them warding >> off the >> >> January Dangs >> >> chill. But here the fires seem...well, >> constricted. >> >> These are fires >> >> inside small shacks. >> >> >> >> These are labourers working on the road, >> living >> >> beside it for the >> >> duration, as migrant labour does. Labourers, >> come >> >> 'home' for the >> >> night. Shacks like these, all over the Dangs. >> >> >> >> So what's cooking here? The Shabari Kumbh >> mela, >> >> 500,000 pilgrims >> >> expected. Roads are being improved, but there's >> >> more. Long tracts of >> >> empty fields have sprouted poles, by the >> thousands, >> >> for tents to >> >> house pilgrims. Troughs have been dug and lined >> with >> >> multi-coloured >> >> toilets. Large plastic water tanks stand on >> concrete >> >> platforms. >> >> Electricity is making its way all over the >> district. >> >> The Purna river >> >> has had 22 check dams built on it to form >> >> Pampasarovar, where >> >> pilgrims are supposed to bathe. >> >> >> >> All this, because for years, tribals in the >> Dangs >> >> have quietly >> >> venerated a spot on top of a hill near dusty >> Subir. >> >> Kumbh organisers >> >> say this is where Shabari sat Ram and Lakshman >> while >> >> she fed them >> >> berries. So they are building a temple here, >> and >> >> decided to hold this >> >> celebration. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hyper-reality: Shabari Kumbh poster >> >> >> >> Witness this inscription: We will remove >> >> conversions and jehadi mentality from this >> >> world...What does such >> >> hostility have to do with >> >> a tender story from a >> >> great epic? >> >> February 11, 12, 13, 2006: likely the most >> crowded >> >> days the Dangs >> >> will ever see. Yet, if faith is to be served, >> if >> >> pilgrims are to find >> >> spiritual fulfillment in the gentle waters of >> >> man-made Pampasarovar - >> >> why the things you hear about the event? An RSS >> >> activist at the mela >> >> office, Mahesh Daga said, "The main objective >> is to >> >> put a full stop >> >> to conversion of tribals." >> >> >> >> The Kumbh mela's website, shabarikumbh.org, >> has a >> >> section, 'About >> >> Kumbh'. The second paragraph there is a >> denunciation >> >> of the Christian >> >> church. You learn that the slogan Hindu jagao, >> >> Christi bhagao has >> >> become 'popular' in the Dangs. You learn that >> Swami >> >> Aseemananda, one >> >> of the moving spirits behind the mela, told >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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