Hi Manoj:
>Himendarda is a patriot for me and he loves Assam, and respects its
culture and history. To suspect his intentions will be unjust.
Even though it was a private post to me, I felt obliged to share
with
netters your goodwill towards Himenda, and /or his intents. I
commend you
for that.
But who is suspecting his intentions? If you are alluding to my
criticisms, they were not based on any suspicion. They were
about what Himen-da wrote and what he did not write but lurked between
the lines. You may not have noticed, but I have a 'phoren' degree in
reading between them lines, both desi and firangi. And when I hang
them out to dry, they do cause discomfiture to gentle Kharkhowa
dispositions in Assam Net, like the coming of seasons, upsetting its
equanimity.
At 10:18 AM +0530 2/27/06, Manoj Das wrote:
Well Chandanda, I think in Gandhiji's case, his colleagues were driven
by their hunger for power.
** Really? Is it something you discovered all by yourself or
something that was slipped into your soft-drink, Manoj ?
Also by then Jinnah and his ML was hell
bent on a separate country for Muslims. Their life in a Hindu majority
country would have been miserable,( he rightly thought so, Muslims in
India have the lowest indiactors of evrything). Had Gandhiji postponed
the independence by a few more years, history could have taken a
different course. Jinnah would have by then died of cancer. Axomisat
kotha ase "nomore mane chaba..nubure mane baba.." .
** The highlighted part above Manoj, is not an explanation of
anything. There are umpteen different ways things could have happened
if one or more of the variable were to be tweaked at any given time in
history.
But are you suggesting here, seriously that is, that Gandhi
actually acted irresponsibly? Or are you attempting to steer clear of
implicating Gandhi in Himenda's 'principle', while dumping the rap on
them other bad guys ?
Its very easy to analyse history, but very difficult to direct the
course.
*** Tell me about it. It was not me who have been espousing some
dubious principle, which, if applied, would make even Gandhi out to be
an irresponsible person; forget about the perennial
villain and resident terrorist of Assamnet, ol' sondon-kai. I have
already been tarred and feathered, many times over.
The future generations will blame us for the misfortunes of
Assam, we are doing nothing but just watching mutely..and helplessly..
*** Exactly right! And those who try to undercut the efforts of
Assam's freedom fighters, spouting feeble-minded philosophy or
mealy-mouthed morality, are that much more guilty.
Himendarda is a patriot for me and he loves Assam, and respects its
culture and history. To suspect his intentions will be unjust.
*** That Manoj, once again, is heartwarming. BTW, have you read
about the many faces of patriotism, as seen by some of humanity's best
minds? If you haven't, let me know, I will be pleased to forward
it. I posted that to Assam net, perhaps a good half dozen years back.
It probably still lurks between the lines of my hard disk
somewhere.
Take care. And don't mind my acerbic eruption here. No personal
offense intended :-).
c-da
Regards
Manoj
On 2/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying that up Manoj. I learn something everyday.
>
> M K Gandhi knew there would be violence. So he chose NON_VIOLENCE as his
> path.
> But still there was violence, in spite of his threats to die for others'
> sins.
>
> Now then, going by Himen-da's logic, one would have expected a person
> of some responsibility --like Gandhi for example, to CALL OFF the
> INDEPENDENCE movement so that India could remain under the British,
> who had the ability to keep the Hindus and Muslims from butchering
> each other.
>
> So the question would arise if we were to accept Himen-da's logic:
> Did Gandhi behave responsibly? Of course the answer would be NO.
>
> But some who are not quite up to connecting the dots, might ask ( I
> know you won't), what does that have to do with Himen-da 's demands
> to know if I would take responsibility for the DIRE CONSEQUENCES he
> either knows of or has conjured up of my support for Assam's
> independence aspirations? Never mind about WHAT those CONSEQUENCES
> might be--he prefers to hold that tightly to his chest, keeping the
> rest of us guessing.
>
> The answer is: It proves that the principle that Himen-da thought he
> has just discovered perhaps is not very sound. Actually it is worse
> than that, but I won't use unpleasant words here on a Sunday morning
> to describe it appropriately.
>
> If I were to be a teacher,I would give Himen-da a C for his efforts
> though. He sure tries! He actually thought he HAD me on the ropes,
> didn't he? He was zeroing in on the kill, as we saw in his posts with
> multi-colored emphases. I could feel Himen-da delivering those
> 'baagi-kutharor ghaap' ( blows from a dull axe) on what he saw as
> Sondon's 'holaa -gos' ( leaning tree) of an intellectual tight spot.
>
> But perhaps it was a little premature. I think he needs to sharpen
> that 'baagi-kuthar' of his up a little bit more.
>
> Take care.
>
> c-da :-).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:56 AM +0530 2/26/06, Manoj Das wrote:
> >Well Chnadanda
> >
> >When Gandhiji demanded INDEPENDENCE for India without fear he could
> >foresee that a violent struggle will bring million deaths for Indian's
> >33 crore population then. That's why he chose non violence as the
> >guiding light for our independence struggle. He was also against the
> >partition and wanted to avoid it by offerign the PMship to Jinnah. But
> >the circumstances were against him.
> >
> >On the day of India's independence he was at Noakhali in Bengal trying
> >to pacify the marauding rioteers. He could have been seen lecturing
> >from top of the Lal Quila ramparts, but the great soul was instead
> >fasting unto death.
> >
> >MKD
> >
> >On 2/25/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi Manoj:
> >>
> >>
> >> You misunderstood Himen-da's complaint.
> >>
> >> What he is actually saying " Look what Gandhi did to India you
> >> morons! He demanded INDEPENDENCE for India, WITHOUT EVER taking
> >> responsibility for his actions that led to the blood bath in the
> >> subcontinent. Finally, Nathuram Godse' had to exact accountability!"
> >>
> > > c-da :-).
> >>
> >>
> >> PS: Sorry folks, can't engage in all this fun stuff --- I am so busy
> >> I can't breathe!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 10:26 AM +0530 2/25/06, Manoj Das wrote:
> >> >Dear Himedrada
> >> >
> >> >Well we got carried away to something else. In any case, how can
> >> >somone without authority take responsibility? Even person like Lord
> >> >Louis Mountbatten faltered or allowed it to happen by design, as a
> >> >price for the ultimate divide and festering damage. Hindit eta kotha
> >> >ase "bhai jeisa dost nahin aur bhai jeisa dushman bhi nahin'.
> >> >
> >> >There wil be millions who will be lost again in the hurricanes of
> >> >history, like the Hindus and Muslims of India who are lost and god
> >> >knows when this hurricane will stop! Thats probably by will of nature
> >> >which programmed species to mix from time to time without traces of
> >> >the past.
> >> >
> >> >Personally, my family lost our roots during 'manor din'. My great
> >> >great great grandfather's family ran to the forests of Dhemaji in a
> >> >boat alongwith 6 other families. These 7 families became 7 villages in
> >> >course of time. But we have no clue about our other kith and kins who
> >> >used to inhabit near Dibru river in nineteenth century.
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >Manoj
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 2/25/06, Himendra Thakur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Dear Rajen,
> >> >>
> >> >> The topic for the subject "One must Take Responsibility" was not
> >> >> bride-burning in India. That came up as a simile, similar to jewish
> >> >> holocaust, which was denied by the jailed British historian David
> >> Irving.
> >> >>
> >> >> Denied by the society in general, Bride-burning is a heartrending
> >> tragedy,
> >> >> and no wonder everyone got excited and forgot the original issue.
> >> >>
> >> >> The original issue was that one must take responsibility about
> public
> >> >> utterances that may harm millions.
> >> >>
> >> >> To my question
> >> >> "Dear Chandan, Since you "do support the 'sovereignty ' aspirations
> or
> >> >> demands", when Assam becomes independent as a result of your
> support,
> >> will
> >> >> you take responsibility if millions of people lose their lives in
> Assam
> >> as a
> >> >> chain result of the independence and sovereignty ? Will you take
> >> >> responsibility ?",
> >> >>
> >> >> Chandan Mahanta could not say that he would take the responsibility.
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead Chandan Mahanta asked me back: "You will need to explain how
> you
> >> see
> >> >> that happening, before I can give you an answer."
> >> >>
> >> >> IN OTHER WORDS, Chandan has been pleading for "independence and
> >> sovereignty
> >> >> " of Assam without even thinking of all the pros and cons. Now he
> wants
> >> me
> >> >> to think for him.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a case of grave irresponsibility. The tragic analogy was
> what
> >> >> Mountbatten said before partition of India in 1947. When asked what
> he
> >> would
> >> >> do if communal rioting broke up in Pakistan and India after his "pet
> >> >> project" of partition, Mountbatten retorted vehemently that he would
> use
> >> >> army and airforce to stop communal rioting.
> >> >>
> >> >> In reality, he did not do any such thing. 1 million people lost
> their
> >> lives
> >> >> and several millions got injured & lost everything as a result of
> >> partition.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chandan Mahanta is running his "pet project" of "independence and
> >> >> sovereignty " of Assam from a safe distance of the USA. When asked
> about
> >> >> taking responsibility, he is unusually quiet.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope the young intellectuals of assamnet will see the light.
> >> >>
> >> >> With the best wishes,
> >> >> Himendra
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Manoj Kumar Das
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