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I said so because I could not connect the
two:
My statement :That Hindus convert.
And your statement: Right to live does not mean Right to kill
Please help.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:31
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE: Anti-conversion
law in Rajasthan?
Thats your choice. One can calll anything one wants. There is freedom of
_expression_:)
That I would call a twisted
Hindu logic.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:10
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Rajen-da,
Just like Right to live does not mean Right to kill
--though everyone who is born must die sometime. Perhaps similalrly, just
because religions spread by getting converted to a faith or belief -- does
not mean that you get license to convert others.
Ram:
In one recent email, we discussed this very
issue, (That Hindus believe that
one has to be born a Hindu and that they donot convert)
and my answer was same as now:
The Tai Ahoms in Assam,
all the Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all
converted to Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to
cliam.
Even in India, all non
Aryans were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at one
time or another, and that is how Hinduism grew. So
your assumption that Hindus donot convert was wrong.
To this you replied that
you would check on this point and would respond.
I donot find the email now.
I might have deleted. But that does not make any difference. If you
donot remember, you may ignore my remarks now and just try to
respond to the question now afresh.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
>According
to the last email, you were supposed to check and
>respond.
>Just reminding you
that you owe the net a response before >you jump to repeat the
same thing.
>(At least Himenda is
silent on several issues where he could >not respond.)
Could you please explain
this or what you mean by this? Once you give some satisfactory
response, I will then try to respond to the other points.
Till
then.
On 4/10/06, Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are
NOT in the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has
to be born a Hindu. They really don't care if someone >converts
to Hinduism or not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite
restrictive in that sense.
As pointed out in some
other earlier message, your understanding is not
correct.
The Tai Ahoms in Assam,
all the Hindus in South East Asia, to say the least, were all
converted to Hindus. They were not BORN Hindus as you try to
cliam.
And if you claim
Buddhism as a branch of Hindusim, then all the Chinese, Japanese,
Koreans, Burmese, Thais, Laosians, Vietnamis wer
converted.
Even in India, all non
Aryans were were picked up and converted to Hindus en mass at
one time or another, and that is how Hinduism grew.
It was the
big fish eating the little fish. The
history of Hinduism is very clear on this.
According
to the last email, you were supposed to check and
respond.
Just reminding you that
you owe the net a response before you jump to repeat the same
thing.
(At least Himenda is
silent on several issues where he could not respond.)
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006
3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Good oints Ram-dda,
I think the Supreme Court justices took the same view as
you.
>The Hindus know that in the Conversion game,
they will loose >because they have nothing to show to these
poor Muslims.That is >sad but true.
IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are
NOT in the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one
has to be born a Hindu. They really don't care if someone converts
to Hinduism or not. My understanding is that Hinduism is
quite restrictive in that sense.
>because they have nothing to show to these
poor Muslims.
And what would you like Hinduism to show or
promise new converts? It will be interesting to find out
what one "gets" by converting.
>So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for
Conversion does not >make any sense.
While this is true, it is still difficult
to uphold some kinds of conversion like in forcible conversions or by
promising or enticing the unwary with cash or other things
in this earth, or 79 virgins in heaven.
About Freedom of Religion, let us extend this a
bit:
What if I think "my religion" requires me to
advocate against gay marriages or abortion. Will any restriction
placed on my practice curtail my Freeddom of
Religion?
Just curious.
--Ram
On 4/9/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It (the Freedom to Convert) also
goes for the benefits of the Hindus. They can convert thousands
or millions of poor Muslims in every city in India, if they
want to covert. The only reason the Hindus oppose
Conversion, in my mind, is that the Hindus are not interested to
convert these poor Muslims in India to Hinduism and serve
them, because they know that these Muslims are enjoying a better
life of equality being Muslim than being a Hindu.
The Hindus know that in the Conversion game, they will loose
because they have nothing to show to these poor Muslims.That is
sad but true.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 09,
2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Right to Freedom of Religion is
intricately connected to conversion. For me to change my
religion, I must be influenced by that religion and I will
need somebody to formally accept me in that religion. >From
another angle that can be viewed as conversion. So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for
Conversion does not make any sense.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April
08, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: [Assam] IE:
Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Please note that Supreme Court in India clarifiied last
year that there is definitely Right to Freedom of Religion
but there is no Right to convert others.The case had been
filed by Christian missionaries who want to convert members
of other faiths - mostky Hindus but also Muslims (in kashmir
etc) , Sikhs (in Punjab, Chhatisgarh etc) and Buddhists .
The most famous Sikh to convert to Christianity -as per
reports - was the Sikh King - Dalip Singh who then settled
in London- while under British rule.
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