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No comments. You are not reading what I
wrote.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] India's Government
Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on Ancient India
Just becos something is written in poem frm does not make it untrue -just
as someone writes a book does not mean it has to be a novel of fiction.
Prithviraj Raso by Chand Bardai -is a famous poem celebrating the
glorious character of Prithviraj Chauhan who ruled Delhi and Afghanistan
---does that mean he never existed?
The Ramayana, The Mahabharata,
like The Iliad and The Odyssey, are epics. We donot take things from the
epics literally. Like we cannot believe everything about Hercules similarly
we cannot believe everything about Hanuman. Do you believe, Sita really went
inside the earth? Do you really believe Hanuman actually lifted the mountain
and flew? Was he an monkey who could speak? And then the question of
historicity of the events. Any idea when these events took place? So
on this basis, one cannot take Ram and Krishna to be historical facts. But I
believe that there must be something from which the imaginative potes wrote
the epics. To justify historicity of the events, one will have to work on
hard evidence (outside the epics) and proceed inch by inch and one piece at
a time. I don't know what is being done on this by the Hindus outside the
stories on the Ramayana dnthe Mahabharata. Any idea?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:24
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] India's
Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on
Ancient India
Do you believe that it is a historical fact that Ram and
Krishna (and their anscestors as mentioned in Ramayan and
Mahabharat)and other incarnations of Vishnu existed historically and that
Mahabharat War took place -as mentioned in Hindu
scriptures (just the way it is mentioned somewhere that some ancient
Hindus ate beef -but the text were meant to admonish the reader)?
Should the above be stated in all history books throughout the world
--just as the write that Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Muhhamad, Hitler
etc are historical figures?
Umesh
Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>If something good is mentioned in Hindu texts --then it is a
myth --like existence of Ram and Krishna. But if >something
distasteful to Hindus is mentioned in their texts --then it is Gospel
truth--and undeniable historical fact!!
Who says that? Not
me.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006
12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] India's
Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on
Ancient India
Rajen-da,
You want to haver it both ways - to get at Hindus.
If something good is mentioned in Hindu texts --then it is a myth
--like existence of Ram and Krishna. But if something distasteful to
Hindus is mentioned in their texts --then it is Gospel truth--and
undeniable historical fact!!
Romilla Thapar would surely agree with you -- since her arguments
go like that as do for Western professors who taught her or wrote
books that she reads.
Umesh
Rajen & Ajanta Barua
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh:
It seems that
the facts are very clear. The Vedas recorded that the ancient
Hindus used to eat Beef. Now why the Hindus should have any
problem in believing this to be true, and why the Hindus try to hide
this fact by distorting the record. Is that what Hindusim teach: To
compromise with the truth if found not to one'e liking?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006
7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] India's
Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books
on Ancient India
If Hindus do not believe the Vedas then who does --but lets
not mix religious beliefs with historical facts and reasoning
--as many of the Net say:))
Od do you want the history txtbooks to write as follows:
"Hindus believe that the ancient Hindus used to eat Holy cow
- who is their mother -as per their belief," --that makes no
sense.
What do you propose?
The question is do the Hindus
believe the Vedas? Why you have to rely on what others
believe?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 16,
2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam]
India's Government Strikes Mention of Beef Eaters From New
History Books on Ancient India
I wonder what proof we have (besides mention in Vedas
[Rig Veda]) about Indians eating beef? As you know most
Western historians would not believe Hindu scriptures are
historiucally true -then why quote from them for beef
eating?
1. India's Government Strikes
Mention of Beef Eaters From New History Books on Ancient
India
NEW DELHI, INDIA, June 12, 2006: (HPI
note: The irony of this NCERT action is that the previous
BJP government met with vigorous opposition from the now
ruling Congress party and allies when it attempted to make
the same change, considered an affront to Hinduism, in the
text books.)
References to ancient India's
beef-eaters have been done away with in NCERT's
newly-introduced history textbooks. NCERT, National Council
of Educational Research and Training, is the national
commission responsible for the textbooks in India's schools.
NCERT changed the syllabus for Classes I, III, VI, IX and XI
from this year in accordance with the national curriculum
framework (NCF) 2005, to prescribe broad guidelines for an
ideal course curriculum. Till last year, Class VI and XI
textbooks had references to beef-eating habits. "These
references were there in ancient Indian history books for
Classes VI and IX till last year. Those textbooks have been
replaced and the new ones have no mention of beef-eating,"
NCERT spokesman Ashish Bahad said. The reference had raised
objections from several quarters last year and a Public
Interest Litigation was filed in the Supreme Court. NCERT
had also formed a three-member expert committee to look into
the matter. "Following the NCF 2005, NCERT developed new
history textbooks that attempt to arouse the curiosity of
schoolchildren. The books encourage students to find out
historical facts on their own," Bahad
added.
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Ed.M. - International
Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard
University,
Class of 2005
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Umesh Sharma
5121
Lackawanna ST
College Park, MD 20740
1-202-215-4328 [Cell
Phone]
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Harvard Graduate
School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005
weblog:
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