> >No, they did not seize power - they did contest elections, you have to >give them that. After that, it was all about themselves as individuals >and promises remained promises.
*** And that being different from WHOM again? Like WHO, and where, has it been any different Ram? Do tell us, please! It would be a great bit of education, for which I shall forever remain indebted to you :-). Point therefore is, that UNLESS the governmental system could be re-tooled, reformed, you will continue to see 'jeyei lonkaloi jai, xeyei ravon hoy' phenomenon. > >All I am saying is that these leaders you uphold so much are no >different than any other desi politician. *** That would not matter, if there are functioning institutions of government that would hold these folks to account for their performance or absence there-of. That is the big difference. > >You can have all the operators, checks and balances, a barnd-spanking >new 'shistem' but if the powers that be will NOT let you implement >them, how is an independent Assam going to practice them? *** It is as simple as holding a few responsible high-ups accountable. If a corrupt big-babu goes to prison, all the minions would fall into place instantly. That IS deterrence! > >The good people most of know wouldn't touch Assam politics >with a barge pole *** And that is EXACTLY why governance needs to be reformed, re-engineered, so that good , able people could be brought in to serve their country's needs. At 1:10 PM -0500 8/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >C'da, > >>Are you suggesting that these folks, unable to >>seize power through 'legitimate', desi means, decided to grab it >>through the agitation, forcibly removing the legitimate powers who >>were occupying the 'gaddi' while Assam smoldered > >No, they did not seize power - they did contest elections, you have to >give them that. After that, it was all about themselves as individuals >and promises remained promises. > >All I am saying is that these leaders you uphold so much are no >different than any other desi politician. If the ULFA leadership >assumes power tomorrow, we can expect nothing more (probably worse - >judging from their fantastic track record of extortion, killing >innocents, aligning with groups like ISI and B'Desh.) > >The problem (for Assam) has nothing to do with 'saffron'. The hatred >of ISI/B'desh cannot and should not be translated into >'Assamese-B'deshi-ISI bhai-bhai'. They are no friends of India, but by >no means should anyone (including those wanting independence) for that >to mean the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend'. > >>*** But the point I was making, and you digress from, is that the >>people of Assam, ( excepting the Bengali speakers and the >>Hindiwallas), by and large did close ranks behind the agitators, >>didn't they? And it included Bodos, Misings,Karbis, Ahoms and >>even > Bamuns. Am I incorrect about that? > >You are right.But didn't we all got taken for a long ride on that >gravy train? What makes you think the 'new leaders' will be different. > >You can have all the operators, checks and balances, a barnd-spanking >new 'shistem' but if the powers that be will NOT let you implement >them, how is an independent Assam going to practice them? > >>The good news is that Assam has plenty of those. The question is >>HOW to bring them on board? And how to get the right apparatus >for >them to work with. > >Yeah right. The good people most of know wouldn't touch Assam politics >with a barge pole. C'da, in the end, Assam, independent or not will at >the best case scenario be old wine in a new bottle. One dreads to >think of other possibilities in an independent Assam. > >--Ram > > > > > > > >On 8/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >Divisive agenda? Actually it was power grabbing and a whole lot of >>>corruption amongst the leaders. >> >>*** I am trying to understand what you present, trying to read the >>underlying message. Are you suggesting that these folks, unable to >>seize power through 'legitimate', desi means, decided to grab it >>through the agitation, forcibly removing the legitimate powers who >>were occupying the 'gaddi' while Assam smoldered? >> >>It is hard for me to comprehend this. Would you care to explain the >>legitimacy and effectiveness of those who got thrown out by the >>agitators ? >> >>*** But the point I was making, and you digress from, is that the >>people of Assam, ( excepting the Bengali speakers and the >>Hindiwallas), by and large did close ranks behind the agitators, >>didn't they? And it included Bodos, Misings,Karbis, Ahoms and even >>Bamuns. Am I incorrect about that? >> >> >>>and a whole lot of corruption amongst the leaders. >> >>*** Corruption is NOT an innate condition ( you ought to have learned >>that by now Ram--tsk, tsk :-)), it was an effect, of falling prey to >>the dysfunctional desi-governmental system and its vested machinery. >>They did not realize that merely a turn-over of the people at the >>wheels of this system was not going to be enough to make a difference >>for Assam. It required radical overhauling, if not entirely replacing >>the defective, antiquated,hand-me-down machinery of a colonial past. >> >>> >Aren't the new 'andwlon' leaders now >>>fighting for 'independence' cut from a similar cloth? Are they any different >> >>*** You keep making the same mistake over and over again Ram :-). It >>is NOT the people ALONE that matters. It is the machinery that >>requires major overhauling. Of course better trained, able and >>passionate operators are required too. The good news is that Assam >>has plenty of those. The question is HOW to bring them on board? And >>how to get the right apparatus for them to work with. >> >>> >No, no, I could be wrong here, there may actually be an >>>infusion of new ideas here - you know from B'Desh and the ISI. >> >>*** Ram, Ram, Ram! You are letting your guard down --- your saffron >>is showing :-)! >> >> >>c-da >> >> >> >> >>At 10:41 AM -0500 8/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >>>C'da, >>> >>>>Unfortunately the 'andwlon' leadership had a divisive agenda, was >>>>uneducated about how to form a government and reform it to move >>>>forward. They young folks thought that changing of the guard was >>>>enough to take them to the promised land. It was a profoundly >>>>faulty perception as it proved to be in very short order. >>> >>>Divisive agenda? Actually it was power grabbing and a whole lot of >>>corruption amongst the leaders. Aren't the new 'andwlon' leaders now >>>fighting for 'independence' cut from a similar cloth? Are they any >>>different? No, no, I could be wrong here, there may actually be an >>>infusion of new ideas here - you know from B'Desh and the ISI. :-) >>> >>>--Ram _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
