Quite right - and the "racist desi" term does not exclude the Assamese - or for
that matter anyone else.
Rgds,
Sandip
----- Original Message ----
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: AssamNet <[email protected]>; Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:39:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister and others to
publicly apologise for Indians cal ling Assamese Mongolians 'Slit-Eyed gooks'
an d Manipuris 'Chinkys' to start with and prose cute the offenders.--2
Even Indians admit, in Indian media, that Indians are some of the most racist
people on the globe today.
Recently there was a spate of articles on that point subsequent to the Shilpa
Shetty episode in British TV.
Even we discussed the subject here in Assam Net, and more than once.
At 1:18 PM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
>You have gotten off on a tangent, missing the point entirely
and I thought it was you, who did:)
The post was in context of BB that the Indian PM should apologize and your
subsequent post of how "Indians" view and denigrate Assamese (and the NE folks).
While I can agree that there those individuals in other parts of India who do
denigrate the entire NE and say mean things, you have to agree that Assamese
themselves are not immune to such denigration when it comes to our neighbors in
other states.
>However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the
>>Hinglishwallas, scions of a >deeply racist desi-population
C'da - what is meant by a 'deeply racist desi-population'.
How comfortable are Assamese when dealing with Bodos, Khasis, Nagas etc? How
would you rate the Assamese in this scale of 'racism'?
--Ram
On 2/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
You have gotten off on a tangent, missing the point entirely.
It was nothing to do with political correctness, and everything to do with a
mind set; a mind set that devalues and ignores the humanity of the people of
the NE, who don't look like the occupiers, don't talk like them, eat strange
foods and worship different gods.
It is such a mind set, created by misinformation, dis-information,religious
bigotries and the pervasive racism that marks the Indian ethos, further
augmented by such laws as the AFSPA and the ignorant and insensitive media that
enables the occupying forces to take the lives of the likes of Nikhilesh, Bholu
etc. so casually. The Punjabi officer would not have ordered the killing so far
outside of his authority, had the victims been some of his own kind. And no one
would have made the arguments to mitigate his guilt by suggesting that they
could be ULFA.
Why? Because they look like them, don't they?
Why else?
c-da
At 10:24 AM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the
>>Hinglishwallas, scions of a deeply racist desi-population could not come up
>with such >a term to begin with) can you question the essence of what it says?
>Manoj gave a >good literal, account of that earlier here in Assamnet
One hears of politically incorrect stuff like this all the time. But do you
seriously think anyone who has lived in Assam would use such terms?
Do khar-khowas ever use similar language to describe Nagas, Khasis, Manipuris
or others, or the common 'Maarwai belta', or 'Oi Bihari', or 'Bongal' or
'Piyaan' - choice descriptions heard all over. Oh!, I am sure you might counter
this by saying these are said lovingly, and we really don't mean anything by it
:)
I did read Manoj's account (I think). And, yes, it does upset us when we hear
stuff like that, but then are we holier than the rest? You tell me.
When you (not you personnaly) preach PC - it just can't be a one-way traffic,
can it?
--Ram
On 2/9/07, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
>The term "Slit Eyed Gooks" was used by C'da.
*** Yes I do take credit :-). I try to use the power of words, in colorful ways
when I can, to help register an idea. I knew it would upset some. Usually those
who cannot face up to the realities that face them, something they would just
as soon not confront. That was the whole idea.
However, even though those exact words might not have been used (actually the
Hinglishwallas, scions of a deeply racist desi-population could not come up
with such a term to begin with) can you question the essence of what it says?
Manoj gave a good literal, account of that earlier here in Assamnet, if you
missed.
c-da
At 8:58 AM -0600 2/9/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
The term "Slit Eyed Gooks" was used by C'da.
He was assuming like (BB) that others use that term, and wanted to pin that on
others.
Whats the confusion?
--Ram
On 2/9/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When did other Indians call Assamese "Slit Eyed Gooks"? This term is used by
your own friends here!
----- Original Message ----
From: Bartta Bistar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
To: AssamNet <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 5:59:09 PM
Subject: [Assam] Now it is time for Indian Prime Minister and others to
publicly apologise for Indians calling Assamese Mongolians 'Slit-Eyed gooks'
and Manipuris 'Chinkys' to start with and prosecute the offenders.
Blair says sorry to harassed Shilpa
AMIT ROY
http://samachar.com/showurl.php?rurl=http://www.telegraphindia.com/1
070208/asp/nation/story_7365808.asp&news=Blair%20says%20sorry%20
to%20harassed%20Shilpa&pubDate=Wed%2C+07+Feb++2007+21%3A16%3A41+
GMT&keyword=telegraph_home
London, Feb. 7: Shilpa Shetty had a private 10-minute meeting today with Tony
Blair who apologised to the Bollywood star for the abuse she had suffered on
Celebrity Big Brother.
After the meeting, which took place at the House of Commons, Shilpa interacted
with a 100-strong medium scrum, consisting of journalists, photographers and TV
cameramen from Britain, the US and a contingent which had flown in from India.
The location was unusual - on the banks of the Thames river. Wearing a white
Nita Lulla jacket with a sari and with her ubiquitous mother, Sunanda, by her
side, Shilpa recounted: "The Prime Minister was really, really kind. He said
that I carried myself with the utmost dignity."
She added: "He said he was very sad to see what I had to go through in the (Big
Brother) House. In turn, I said I really needed to thank him personally for all
the support he showed me and my country. I took the opportunity and I thanked
him. He was very, very sweet."
Earlier, the winner of Celebrity Big Brother sat in on "Prime Minister's
Question Time" (when David Cameron, the Tory leader, said Blair should be
evicted from the House). She said she was intrigued by the occasion and said
Blair had shown a "sense of humour" with his answers. "I have never been to the
Lok Sabha and I have come to the House of Commons."
Shilpa was invited to the Commons by Keith Vaz, Labour MP for Leicester East,
who said: "She went to the members' dining room. She met Tessa Jowell (culture
secretary), who has given her a gift. The Prime Minister has given her a gift,
signed by himself and Mrs (Cherie) Blair, a portrait of the House of Commons;
she has had lunch - she had smoked salmon (good humoured shouts of 'oh, stop
it', from Shilpa) followed by dessert, Shilpa's Delight, which was a selection
of English desserts."
One suggestion she knocked down firmly was the idea, mooted by Vinod Khanna,
that she would join the BJP.
She told The Telegraph: "Oh, not at all. I have never really been
politically-inclined. I don't know where this comes from (Vinod Khanna, she was
told). No, it's very kind of him. I know him personally but nobody has spoken
to me about joining any party and I don't intend to do so, not in the near
future."
Summing up her day at Westminster, she said: "I thought it would be really
boring actually but I really enjoyed it. I was pleasantly surprised."
Vaz's nine-year-old daughter, Anjali, placed a traditional garland around the
two guests before Shilpa posed for pictures.
Asked what she thought was the main difference between the House of Commons and
Big Brother House, she replied: "I think the main difference is that they were
more polite in there (the Commons) and I don't get a chance to stay." She would
be returning to India shortly as she "really missed" members of her family but
would be returning to the UK to continue her AIDs charity work.
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