I think i'll wait for the others to comment upon what i've written before i >reply to your (cut the sentence in pieces, bring out different meanings to the >pieces) routine.
*** We will be long gone before we are going to get a halfway coherent answer from any of our argumentative friends here. Some have mastered the art of saying NO, yet others won't understand the question, some will philosophize that 'bhukute kol-tw nopoke', some will plead India's infancy as a democracy ( as if it is the daring explorer blazing a trail) and some will assert that even in the USA it is no different. How do I know? Because we have there time and again. And we have seen all these pathetic responses.
From all the recent experiences I will not hold my breath about your answers either. But surprises are most welcome. And I shall stand corrected when they come.
i thought you have become a bit mature (maturity is not related to age) when >you wrote the piece about the governance of assam. BUt as i opined later, i'm >sure that piece was written by someone else. you are not capable of doing that.
*** Oh, I am sooo hurt :-)! At 10:52 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
I think i'll wait for the others to comment upon what i've written before i reply to your (cut the sentence in pieces, bring out different meanings to the pieces) routine. i thought you have become a bit mature (maturity is not related to age) when you wrote the piece about the governance of assam. BUt as i opined later, i'm sure that piece was written by someone else. you are not capable of doing that. you are only capable of cut and paste.and this time definately i'll answer.On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a firm hand >is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I know >hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it either >remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).*** What are the tools with which the people can deal with that? Can you, as a lawyer practising in the High Court enlighten us on that?Go ahead, give a step by step instruction. Tell us WHAT institutions of the Indian state the people can rely on to hold those responsible accountable.Do you know what is going on in regards to the twenty crores plus spent on the incomplete Kolakhettro Conference Center? Did you know that those in charge, reared and nurtured in the great traditrions of desi-demokrasy allowed incompetent engineers from outside Assam to design thirty meters deep piers to hold up a tin roof, and that the main conference center built with its floor below adjacent grade, and then constructed an elaborate network of open trenches to prevent flooding? Who is asleep at the wheel? And WHY is it so? WHY is not Assam's intelligentsia, people like you, taking it lying down? What is YOUR excuse? Did ULFA prevent the intelligentsia from taking action?>(The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings. It >is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not run >away).*** That is far too idealistic. Would be nice, but cannot be demanded. But it is the responsibility of the parents to allow their children to go learn their surviving skills. Let them learn to swim or sink. Devolve powers, teach them how to manage their own affairs. If they fail, it is INDEED the fault of those parents.> (Exactly the point. The select group of people who want independence >are from an era which is unknown to most of the youth of TODAY, their >problems do not date back 27 years, they are struggling for a place >under the SUN, they want to prove that they can do something.*** What, or WHO is holding them back? Is it the ULFA? Is it those who have their fingers on power? I hope you will not go silent and explain that.>Now this group of people does not want the inexperienced youth of >TODAY to take charge.*** Is that an attempt at a joke? Or are have we been smoking something we shouldn't be?>They have been losing for the last so many years without bringing any >Wind of Change in Assam.*** Xaap hoi khuitsa aaru bez hoiw zaarisa. You atre speaking from both ends of your mouth. It may be expected from the clueless. But what is your excuse?Indian government is fighting them , being egged on by the likes of you, and you expect them to bring in winds of change? Do you think people are idiots to take you seriously?>Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation like >ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY or >MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth*** Use your brains and try to figure out why it is so. Not very hard at all. But if you still cannot, ASK. There will be people who will be pleased to, explain the obvious I am sure.>It had to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis ** It is a patently bad idea to take on things one is ignorant about. >Hope you will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It*** I am pleased to provide the amusement. But it might not be very entertaining if one is not sure at whose cost.At 8:34 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap" accusation >frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty children, fifteen grow up to >be useful citizens and five do not, whom do you blame? The children or the >parents?**** Assam's intelligentsia's inadequacy, like the inadequacies of entire Indian intelligentsia is a RESULT of a 'mai-baap' Central Govt's colonial accumulation of all important powers of state, with the intent of taking care of all those 'children', like the loving parents they are, NEVER letting the children LEARN to take care of themselves; because they are so 'incapable' (It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a firm hand is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I know hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it either remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).The analogy of the fifteen growing up to be useful citizen with five becoming losers -- obviously because of their OWN DAMN fault as implied, is exactly the same kind of screwed-up logic, born out of a belief fostered by that same Indian mindset, that success and achievements are in the genes, so often expressed in this forum (The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings. It is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not run away).What would the progeny of a class of people whose secure lifestyles were guaranteed by the state for producing virtually nothing, know about enterprise, risk-taking, self-government or working together for the common good? They would not want the inexperienced, the youth, or the unknown take charge of things. What do they know about running things? (Exactly the point. The select group of people who want independence are from an era which is unknown to most of the youth of TODAY, their problems do not date back 27 years, they are struggling for a place under the SUN, they want to prove that they can do something. Now this group of people does not want the inexperienced youth of TODAY to take charge. What do they [the select group] know about running things. They have been losing for the last so many years without bringing any Wind of Change in Assam. Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation like ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY or MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth)A classic example of that played out when such ELDERS challenged and denied a group of San Francisco based Kharkhowa youth, right here in St. Louis, who wanted to hold an Assamese Get-together. Their offer was of course rejected, on grounds of inexperience. And the result? They bolted from our little kharkhowa xomaaj. (It had to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis)Sorry, but had to say it like it is :-). No better way to illustrate a point than putting forth real life examples. (Hope you will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It)At 1:05 PM -0800 3/3/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:People who detest living as parasites-- better re educate yourselves--fast.To become Useful to all.Who are these parasites? Politicians in Assam? Businessmen? IAS officers? Ulfa Leaders will have to be supported by each one in Assam.ULFA leaders are leaders for ULFA. Who says ULFA represents Assam? Why should "each one in Assam" support them?Pol Pot was not a bad man. In fact one of the best humanistic, peoples' Brother. His 2nd/3rd/4th BROTHERS are80+ today-totally unrepentant-and boldly blames US policy in Indo-China that led them to resort to what they had to.I can't believe someone eulogizes Pol Pot. Where are the eulogies for Hitler and Stalin?"Shock and awe "- is an essential preamble for a future hard-at-work-for-humanity NATION.Now I know how you are daydreaming.Last 60 years wein Assam have had no challenge, no responsibility, no demand on us to prove our capabilities.India's Leadership have not had a clue where/how to start undoing all their failures--even today!Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap" accusation frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty children, fifteen grow up to be useful citizens and five do not, whom do you blame? The children or the parents?We were :taken for granted,rightfully to be robbed,as low grade, sub human,"Not having proven track records"Just like most of 1st world takes India to be. Just As 'Hanhor woporot xiyal roza'Nation with a shame or a conscience would have not grovelled to hang on to us for 27 yrs.There is a large section of population in Assam that does not want to secede. So "grovelling to hang on" is not an applicable accusation.From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED], <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED], <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected], <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0600 blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li {padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}You need to get your thinking cap back from wherever you left it behind Alpana:-).Let us say tomorrow ULFA got sovereignty for Assam. Can ULFA govern Assam all by itself?Or let us assume that you bright democracy devotees figured out with your steel-trap minded analyses that -- this is it: ULFA is in charge, it will use its AK 47s to vote itself into power and Dilip's vision of Pol Pot brought to rule over Assam.How long do you think it could last?By making these kind of arguments do you think you look make yourselves look like smart people ? You have a whole lot more imagination than you make yourselves appear to be. Make use of it :-). Others look at you as Assam's best. Don't let them down.At 8:58 AM -0600 3/3/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:Or, what to do if it is attained. Will there be an election or is it going to be a monarchy again? well, what's the difference? It could be like - you vote for me, or else....From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Barua, Rajen" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>,"Chan Mahanta" <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:42:54 -0600BLOCKQUOTE {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} DL {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} UL {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} OL {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} LI {padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;}You need SECOND TIER plan, only if you don't have 'how to achieve' the FIRST TIER plan. Is that the case here? We have not seen any plan from you, how to achieve 'SOVERIGNTY' yet.Rajen ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan MahantaTo: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Barua, Rajen ; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents I was merely responding to the SECOND TIER ideas :-)./But don't be bashful. If you have some answers or help for the second tier, do propose. That will be contributing something useful.c At 9:50 AM -0500 3/2/07, Barua, Rajen wrote: >*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?Did I say that? Please try to stick to your main point instead of opening new frontiers of argument with no goal. I have given my views Sovereignty issue I have not seen you moving a single inch from there yet.RajenFrom: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Chan MahantaSent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 AM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' ProponentsI am re-posting a page from assamnet debates from Dec 13, 2004, where this 'second tier' thing was proposed by some of our esteemed and 'pragmatic' friends.So I asked the highlighted question. But no answer ever came. It was likea 24000 volt live-wire--not to be touched. WHY? Because that would lead to examining the issues that gave rise to the insurgency, something our ever-so-righteous friends are unwilling to get near of.But perhaps those like Chitta, Nayan etc. will. We will see.>Only hope is if we can, in the prsent process, make ULFA overground to work for an Autonomous >Assam with the support of the Assamese people.*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen? What is the matter with what is operating?What will you do with autonomy? What would your recommendations be to the people of Assam as to what they can or should do with autonomy? And how much autonomy? What should this autonomy give Assam that it does not have now?cmThe information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Its contents (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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