Sondon Da,
It has a lot to do with what goes on in India. Presumably because in your view
India has failed on every front and hence you chose to make the USA your home.
Therefore you need to let us know what goes on there instead of just talking
away. Maybe you heard the term "Best Practices".
Secondly, if you are really interested in making a contribution, it will be
best to get back to Assam or to some other part of India (your choice). However
again, you need to learn to be a team player because in a country of 1 billion
people, if you only choose to only debunk others, there wont be any takers for
sure. This you must have learnt from these discussions already :-)
Thank you,
Sandip
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From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ram
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2007 12:23:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
>Do blacks get reservation there?
*** What does THAT have to do with WHAt goes on in India? Are Indians so
ignorant, so incapable to decide what is right fore them, that they have to go
by what the USA does or doesn't do?
>Indian Democracy is still maturing.
*** Really? A maturing process is not STATIC in time. It evolves. Where has
India demonstrated such evolution since independence, as far as shooting down
its own people every month?
India is incapable of change, because its intelligentsia is absent from its
governance. Sandip's arguments are the best examples.
>But perhaps according to you, we should replace Indian governance with the
>>Maoist philosophy.
*** One does not have to put blinders on one's imaginations. But that is what
you are doing. You cannot even imagine to your full potential, even when no one
is impeding it, controlling it. That is tragic.
At 5:08 PM -0700 6/1/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Do blacks get reservation there?
Since they dont, how does your US of A plan to bring them up the economic
ladder? Is the fact that they dont riot reason enough for complacency? They
could any time - given the necessary momentum and impetus.
Indian Democracy is still maturing. Since we did not get to write the
constitution in 1785 or whatever - we need time to sort out things. Also -
Reservations are a way to undo the age old prejudice perpetuated by high caste
hindus (ask who?). Too bad if everyone want the lollies together.
But perhaps according to you, we should replace Indian governance with the
Maoist philosophy. Then in the new order of things, anyone who protests will
just be rounded up and done with - including Ulfa supporters.
-SD
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Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 11:52:46 PM
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At 4:43 PM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
That is why I asked about Hurricane Katrina where the black community was
subjected to continual harrasment and their social griveiances never redressed.
The black-white within the larger issue of racism continues to linger on.
Now are we comparing apples with apples??
Tell us what your US of A did in this case and how it solved a 200 year old
problem.
Rgds,
SD
*** Yes, we ARE indeed comparing apples and oranges. Racial bias issues today
in the USA do not end up in riots and the military/police shooting down
rioters. These are now settled thru law making and in courts, civil as well as
criminal.
But the problem is not gone. Perhaps we should encourage the USA to apply
thousands of years old Hindu doctrines from India to better accomplish the task
of racism, prejudice and discrimination :-)?
Compare that to Indian/army police shooting down their fellow men, by the
dozens, routinely, almost every month, by their govts. advertised as
DEMOCRATIC. So much so that the populace has resigned to the idea that mass
grievances of minority groups will never be addressed until they resort to
violence. The only language desi-demokrasy understands and pays heed to is that
of violence and bloodshed.
Every society has problems. Functioning DEMOCRACIES have devised ways to
resolve such conflicts peacefully and equitably, thru a political process and
thru the courts., instead of REFUSING to recognize such discord in society or
grievances of the numerical minorities, until violence breaks out.
That has been the recurring story of what is packaged as democracy in India to
wave to the world.
>From these posts it is abundantly clear to anyone paying attention, that a
>significant section of the Indian intelligentsia's concerns (be it from
>India or be it from abroad) for other human beings, even of their own, is
>limited to shedding crocodile tears, when it is convenient to do so.
Finally, I have one question:
EVEN if the USA is just as bad or worse than India's human rights
record or in its inability to
resolve societal conflicts, does it JUSTIFY or NEUTRALIZE India's
record or ERADICATE its
own dysfunction?
cm
----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Friday, June 1, 2007 12:54:29 AM
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>In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I
>am sure).
*** Yes, but we are comparing apples and oranges.
>Elian Gonzalez
** It was case of enforcement of a court order. No one was killed if I am not
mistaken.
>Ruby Ridge
*** It was a case of criminal kidnapping.
>David Koresh
*** Again a criminal case of confinement and refusal to submit to a court
order, leading to a police/paramiltary raid, to defy which the inmates of the
commune committed mass suicide.
None of these were anything akin to political /social disaffections , ignored
by authorities, leading to demonstrations that turned into rioting terminated
by military /police firing against their OWN PEOPLE.
At 8:29 AM -0600 5/31/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Just to butt in here a bit.
In the US, we have several examples (which C'da will be glad to expand on, I am
sure).
Elian Gonzalez
Ruby Ridge
David Koresh
In the last two, (it wasn't the US Army) but paramil. forces - people got killed
On 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Still waiting to hear what happens in similar situations in US of A - say like
if some African Americans were to protest again over Hurricane Katrina? Maybe
we should learn and implement similar policies here.
Do they get 125 yrs jail...or Guantanamo Bay?.......or there's political
settlement?
Rgds,
Sandip
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To: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Chan Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:56:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujar
it confirms my opinion that Gujjars are not that backward -- in comparison to
the tribes /castes who are in SC ST category -- nobody oppresses them - but
they are maig this demand after upper caste have got 10% reservation in
Rajasthan and Jats -another dominant warrior caste (rules Alwar and Haryana)
has been included in OBC category by former Congress govt. of Rajasthan
Umesh
SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Think deeper" - he he!
How much deep info did you have about Meenas, Gujjars etc in Rajasthan? -
before you read the BBC report?
And you already decided it was a legitimate demand?
BTW, you didnt answer what happens in the US of A.
Rgds,
Sandip
----- Original Message ----
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[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:10:05 PM
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Sandip:
You need to to think a little DEEPER!
WHY did RIOTING have to take place to begin with? Did these people wake up one
fine morning and decided, : Heck, things are dull, let us go burn some buses
today and cut-off policemen's limbs?
Think about it and come back with your questions again.
sd
At 6:06 AM -0700 5/31/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Hello Sondon Da,
As far as I understand, police and RAF are meant to maintain law & order and
prevent rioters getting out of hand. Thats their job. Army is called in only
when situation gets out of control. Same approach is applied everywhere. Local
Admin calls in the army. In this case, Rajasthan police had no experience
handling anything of this kind in the last many decades.
May we know what approach is taken towards rioters who use violence as a form
of protest and then try justifying it - in the worlds greatest demokrasy - your
home, the United EStates of Amrika? I mean people who damage govt. property,
possibly kill and maim others and try to undermine state authority?
Rgds,
SD
----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:59:35 AM
Subject: [Assam] BBC E-mail: Army deployed after India riots
Chandan Mahanta saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.
** Message **
This is typical of the Indian state's conflict resolution program, which has
not changed in sixty years after freedom.
** Army deployed after India riots **
Troops are deployed in India's Rajasthan state after 14 people are killed in
clashes over government job quotas.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6703133.stm >
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