Hi Umesh:
Allow me to butt in here for a moment.
I thought Kamal has clearly explained that his viewpoint is not due
to some hidden or ulterior motives , like his plan or desire to bring
his relatives into the USA.
And Santanu explained, although not in these many words, what you,
as an educated young man, ought to have learned by now; that when
someone advocates a point or participates in a debate about
socio-political issues, it does not necessarily mean he or she has a
DIRECT personal motive behind the position they take.
That is why it is uncouth to pose questions like:
" -- I wonder which category you are now in. Are you trying to get
a Green Card yourself (thru employment - like me ) or you are trying
to get family members come over from India."
I don't know why I have to play the bad guy in these exchanges ,
having to explain things with the equivalent of a hit on the head
with a two by four :-(!
Subtlety, thy name is not desi!
c-da
At 7:52 PM -0700 7/8/07, umesh sharma wrote:
Santanu-da and Kamal-da,
Every debate has atleast two points of view and since Kamal-da and I
seem to see things on this issue from opposite ends I assumed he has
the opposite situation from mine. Perhaps he wants his relatives to
come to US - just like most Latinos want to. On the other hand,
those on work visas and student visas would like that they get the
immigrant visa - so that they get set and perhaps get married and
bring their wives along.
Umesh
kamal deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So well said,Santanu.
KJ
On 7/8/07, Roy, Santanu <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't see why Mr. Deka's personal situation is relevant to this
debate. It is unfair to pose that question and the strength of the
arguments do not rest on that. It is a debate worth having and I
certainly am learning from both the enunciation of both points of
view.
Santanu.
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To: kamal deka; <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Assam] Immigration policy
Kamal-da,
At thde risk of sounding like singing Ba Ba Black Sheep let me
remind you that as per current US immigration policy - both family
members (siblings, parents etc) and 'sharp , skilled professionals"
have to apply thru the same quota/channel.
And given that there are many more in US who would like to bring
along their relative than those who are in a position to get an
employer to sponsor them ----- I believe that the overwhelming
majority of Green Card applicatans to US (out of half a million
Indians etc - and perhaps even more so for Mexicans) are NOT the
'sharp skilled ones" but those coming becos they have family
connecions here.
This is detrimental not only to US skilled
labor/competitiveness interests but also to those millions in other
countires who have no family connections here but only their skills
and determination to succeed. Since they are both in the same boat
-- the skilled, smarts, non-family based Green Card applicants
suffer disproportionately
-- I wonder which category you are now in. Are you trying to get a
Green Card yourself (thru employment - like me ) or you are trying
to get family members t come over from India.
Umesh
kamal deka < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It is impossible for me to write responses according to the
individual level of comprehension.If I do that, I will land up
writing---ba ba black ship.
First, you tried to advance an argument saying that family
reunification program was not there 500 years ago and therefore it
should not be there fore ever.That is too facile of an argument to
make.Every era or every age has its own dynamics.What was held
right 500 years ago may be perceived wrong in today's world.100
years ago,the slavery and segregation was a part of life here in
America,does that mean those vices should have been allowed to
continue till today ? Two wrongs don't make a right. The term
immigration does not mean 'travel " only as you have implied.You
may consult a dictionary for proper definition. Tourists and
immigrants are two different things.
When did I say ' sharp guys " should not be allowed to come ? I
cited the example of Dr.David Ho just to stress the point that there
are thousands of cases like Dr.Ho,who created novel things after
arriving in the US under family reunification program.That should
have been easily understood.
You wrote that 50% of American marriages end in divorce and divorce
breaks up a family.You seem to contradict yourself by saying
so.That's exactly why I wrote in my previous mail pointing out to
the fact that young Americans identified broken family as their
greatest fear !!! Didn't I ?
You also wrote that in order to meet one's family,one should take
time off to meet them.If the meaning of ' family reunification' is
just to meet the family once in a while by taking time off,then we
might as well forget about the reunification of spouses too.They
can meet each other once in a while and that's all .Is not it ?
KJD
On 7/8/07, umesh sharma
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: So
you mean that just becos one person did well and created HIV medicie
so millions should be allowed in - whereas those adventurous and
sharp guys who take the risk on their own should not be??
50% of American marriages end in divorces so I do not see their fear
of broken families -- divorce breaks up a family does it not?
Third, if a person is a citizen of USA after coming here - I think
s/he is entitld to bring along his/her spouse and underage children.
It is easier to go from USA to India (22 hours) than it was for me
to go from Delhi to Chennai (38 hours - by train). Most people in
India never travel by plane - so have greater difficulty in meeting
family -say an Assamese working in Bangalore - (40 hours atleast by
train) than visiting India from USA.
Even within the country people have to move elsewhere (in India ) to
look for work --so there is no cure for that. Is there? If one
wants to meet family -- take some time off from work and visit them!!
Umesh
kamal deka <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
First thing first.As a sovereign country, the USA has every right to
be bristling with prejudices as far as immigration policy is
concerned.They should not be criticized for being harsh with the
potential immigrants.However ,family reunification programme has
been the cornerstone for the past few decades.I can think of three
reasons as to why legal immigrants should be allowed to reunite with
their families.
First,a permanent class of legal immigrants who are constantly told
,their labor is welcome,but their families are not, will never be
full participants in the American dream.The Oath of Allegiance had
been all about ensuring that new Americans don't have divided
loyalties.Now that will be enshrined in law.
Families are the bedrock of American life.Recent poll shows that
young Americans identified broken families,not Iraq or global
warming as their greatest fear.What message does the White House
send out about family value when its action undercuts its sermon ?
Dr.David Ho,the Time magazine's man of the year in 1996, pioneered
the use of protease inhibitors to treat HIV-infected
patients.Thousands and thousands of Americans now have new lease on
life,thanks to him.He came to the USA at the age of 12 from Taiwan
to reunite with his father.
My point is that the legal and the illegal immigrants should not be
thrown into the same pot to swim or sink.
KJD
On 7/7/07, umesh sharma <
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wrote: Kamal-da,
When Immigration began 500 years back in USA then there was no
family reunification programs -- those who had guts and desire for
adventure sailed across the oceans and never saw their families
again. Some prisoners had to be sent to Australia since no one in
thier right minds wanted to go to Australia -- some bribed and
escaped and came back to Britain -- read Chalres Dicken's Great
Expectations.
So why this pillar of immigration. Immigration means travel to a new
place -- not bringing all your hometown and family and friends with
you. Does it?
Umesh
kamal deka <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do you know that the White House is floating a new immigration
proposal,which is designed to tear down another pillar of
immigration policy ----family reunification?
It appears that sibling and adult children of American citizen are
just out of luck,turned by a stroke of the pen from family members
into strangers in the eye of law.Instead of blood-ties,people will
be judged by a point system in which knowledge of English and
education would be given importance rather than family value.
KJD
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