<The rulers must achieve divine insight and acquire divine qualities to solve
such problems. The present philistines simply cannot solve these problems, it
is simply beyond them. They go into protected hibernation-sending lakhs of
ablebodied youth to Suppress-or be killed(and compensated with money stolen
from people)."Mera Bhaarat Mahaan".
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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:13:00 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL
PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
PROTECTED]: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
I personally cannot read the mind of a particular organisation.
But I have seen from my childhood days such conflicts in Assam.
I think, after the emergence of 'nations' nation states' such conflicts are a
rule than an exception. 'Nationalism' is a very strong sentiment indeed.
However, rational people would always like to understand the problem and find
ways for conflict resoltion. It is not that it is an easy job. Today's world
bears testimony to its ramifications.
Whatever a particular organisation is doing may not be correct, but there is no
denying the fact that a section of the people of Assam, however microscopic,
may support such activities, and we must understand that one cannot hatch
chicken from a rounded stone, it got to be an egg.
The only conclusion therefore is that such activities gather fuel from a sense
of deprivation, may be illusory may be not, and it is a kind of a backlash. But
we cannot wish it away with harsh words of condemnation. Even if you bribe some
of them, subdue some, but there will always be someone, may be marginalised, to
keep the fire alive.
The rulers must achieve divine insight and acquire divine qualities to solve
such problems. The present philistines simply cannot solve these problems, it
is simply beyond them. SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
These kind of discussions are not going to help one single NE person who may or
may not face the kind of discrimination we talk about. This is a practical
situation on the ground. As we cannot change the fact that Haryanvis dominate
the Delhi police and have little or no knowledge about NE, we have to be a bit
more judicious for the time being instead of thinking like we were in the
middle of Kohima.
Assam.org cannot change the way Haryanvis think about NE, atleast for the time
being.
BTW, Isnt the Ulfa targetting Hindi speakers for similar racist reasons - and
blowing them with bombs?
Rgds,
Sandip
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I don't see anything wrong in discussing the issue. In fact it should be
discussed.
But I agree with most of the points made here. Very well said!
>. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a Bihari
>considers a Tamil mainstream; >but they all consider us as not of the
>mainstream.
*** And what that means is that we are different. It is a fact. We ought to be
secure about it, and not seek to be like them :-).
>If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream?
>In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a
>different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely
>culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that.
*** Exactly!
>The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards
>our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in
>baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for
>special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things
>happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students,
>western or domestic tourists.
*** There is a major MYTH here, however. The so-called 'westernization' of
Indians cannot be further from the truth. Even a very large percentage of the
so-called NRIs living in the west are NOT really westernized and live
sheltered lives, divorced from the life of the communities where they do,
hopelessly attempting to hold on to what they consider "Indian"--which,
incidentally, varies widely from one group to the other, while each ethnic
group remain largely divorced from others from the same 'India' they came from
. The parochialism is brutal. Perhaps worse than what it might be in some
more pluralistic of Indian metropolitan environments.
Westernization in India is, at best, a mindless copy of the most superficial of
traits of what is considered 'western', usually as created by Bollywood or as
registered from fleeting images on the internet today.
>The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards
>our boys and girls studying >there.
*** It really is a manifestation of the attitude that pervades the general
Indian outlook: That numbers rule. My way or the highway. While it argued that
it is an universal human trait, the difference lies in to recognize the rights
of the numerical minorities, protecting them with FUNCTIONING institutions of
state: Constitutional safeguards backed up with law enforcement, and effective
conflict resolution mechanisms, like courts of law.
>The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi authorities
>should presecribe dress >code or should gear themselves up to provide
>safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or >scantily dressed, without
>discrimination?
*** Exactly!
>I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own
>time and energy on this >issue.
*** Here I differ. Unless it is discussed, people will remain uneducated about
its, and so will its ramifications. Indian intelligentsia's absence from
dealing with these issues is the reason they remain operative.
At 1:21 PM +0100 7/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote:
Is there any point in pursuing this discussion?
There is an assumption here that INDIANS, other than NORTH EASTERNERS, consider
other Indians mainstream, but do not have the same attitude towards the North
Easterners. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a
Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; but they all consider us as not of the
mainstream.
Why is that so?
If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream?
In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a
different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely
culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that.
In so far as 'assimilation' is concerned, it cannot be done conciously or
forcefully. A Marwari in Assam now a days can earn his living without having to
learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even many Assamese do
without their language and some of them feel proud about that!
The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our
boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring
itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special
treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a
few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic
tourists.
The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi authorities
should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to provide safeguard
to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed, without discrimination?
I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own
time and energy on this issue.
Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What do you think is a better choice :1. Ask the NE people to be more
"mainstream like" in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they
undergo plastic surgery to look more "mainstream" like .2. Educate the
"mainstream" Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like
Harayanvi and "honorable practises" like dowry and female infanticide.Looks
like Delhi police will choose option 1.Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture?
In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population
never trying to "assimilate" with the local culture?If there is a failure on
part of the NE population in "assimilating" to the mainstream culture, may be
the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never
"assimilated" to the local culture/s.bestPriyankooPriyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
"Assimilation" is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and
don'ts to people from a particular region.In any case, a booklet is never
helpful for any kind of "assimilation".bestPriyankooSANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is no problem with "assimilation" for students or citizens from Assam.
This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland,
Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of
India too.
Rgds,
Sandip
----- Original Message ----From: Malabika Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: xourov
pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28
AMSubject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
I wonder if similar "circular" was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the
spices we use), how would the Indians react ?
xourov pathok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i seeit is getting
worse.xhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.aspRight
intentions, wrong message- Delhi police accused of dividing India
into‘mainland’ & ‘Northeast’NISHIT DHOLABHAINew Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s
advisory to youthsfrom the Northeast studying in the capital is beingseen by
most as segregating the region from theso-called mainland.The minister for
development of the northeasternregion (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only
recentlydiscouraged the use of this syntax. “There is nomainland, you are the
mainland,” he had told areporter in Shillong.Aiyar was unavailable for comment
on the bookletreleased by Delhi police, but those who respondedseemed to cringe
at the thought of someone advisingstudents from the region to change their food
habits,customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into
the“mainstream”.Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at JawaharlalNehru
University, said the police’s advice not tocreate a “ruckus in the
neighbourhood” by cooking“smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, to
say the least.“The police come up with these advisories, but thereis no
implementation. There should be a departmentalmemo of some sort that if a
person from the Northeastis harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta
said.Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, saidthe advisory was
tantamount to undermining the abilityof Northeast students in New Delhi to
assimilate. “Iwonder if they have given such booklets to studentsfrom the
South,” he said.Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet waswell-intentioned
could not mask the sense ofdiscrimination.Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar
Sarma and hisCongress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was nodenying the need
to spruce up security for studentsfrom the region in view of some incidents in
therecent past. But commenting on food habits andclothing was unfair, the duo
said.“How can one tell somebody what to eat and how todress?” Sarma
asked.Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the
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