At 9:34 PM +0800 8/1/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
*** That has covered the gamut of the choices made available by desi-democrasy. What is left to be tried? Don't tell me --- Togadia, Narendar Modi, right?Someone who can atleast think of the Assamese people like our neighbouring CM's thinks of their own. Certainly not the ULFA. They have never shown any sincerity to the cause they claim to be fighting for.
*** Fair enough. But WHAT has held the people of Assam from FINDING such a person? Don't they CARE? They sure go VOTE, don't they? I mean look at all our bright friends right here in assamnet that points to how desi-demokrasy is working and how voters vote intelligently making it work.
Or could it be that no such individual is to be found in Assam?Or could it be that the voters don't really care, only a handful of people like you do?
Something in this line of reasoning is faulty, isn't it? There is a fallacy here. What is it?
It has worked in Kashmir, hasn't it?
*** What has? You mean the Kashmiri rebellion? If it has, what prevents you from undertaking something akin to it?
Give it a nice name like Hindu Liberation Front of Assam ( Hilifa) or B'deshi Kheda Bahini ( BKB) and with all the pent-up frustrations and anger spanning decades, you are ready to roll. Funding? Not a problem! VHP NRIs have tons of money. Political support. They are right here in assamnet. Ram will lead :-).
But something tells me it is not going to happen. Can you guess why?
I would like to hear your opinion on the very threat itself.
*** I will be pleased to air it. Not that it is a secret. I have written a number of times about it, right here in assamnet. But let us hear about YOUR solutions first, since you are the one who is filled with most angst about it. Obviously you are frustrated that THEY are not doing the right things. If THEY did follow YOUR advice, they will fix the problem. Right?
So go! Let it all hang out. Don't be bashful if it sounds a tad bit strident. Severe problems require harsh solutions.
I am giving you all the rationalization you need :-).
As an Indian in the US, would any Indian national/organization get away by threatening the >Americans in their own country? I am all ears.
*** Let us not mix things up. I am not an Indian. I am an American of Assamese ethnicity. I am well accepted here. And I have no plans to over-run America with my relatives. Even if I had, they won't come. I am just a lonely black-sheep of my family.
So the question is meaningless as far as it is about me.But B'deshis looking for a little land to make a living -- wherever, is a reality. They are here too. NY and Chicago taxi drivers are mostly B'deshis. As are waiters in NYC . Not all of them are legal. But the last mayor of NYC, Rudy Giuliiani, a front runner in the 2008 Republican Presidential candidates' race, publicly RESISTED apprehension and prosecution of ILLEGAL aliens( including B'deshis and desis) in NYC, because he knew that the city will come to a standstill without them. Just like the bread-basket of the world , California, which would collapse if the Latino illegal aliens are deported.
On the lungi menace itself, what is your final limit of acceptance, meaning what do they( read B'deshis) >have to do for you to acknowledge that, "Yes, they are a threat to Assam."
*** They are far lower in my list of threats to Assam. Indians, with their economic controls of Assam and huge ability to spread its cultural influences are on the top of the list.
>Also please stop blaming India for all of Assam's ills. Think it has become a habit for you. The problem lies within. The Nagaland and Arunachal Govt has acted on it's own without any Indian Govt support.
*** OK. Who then is to point fingers at and WHY? I hope you will explain.And how do Nagaland and Arunachal get equated with Assam? Assam has a common border. They don't. NL and Achl can push who are not Nagas or A'chalis to Assam, thanks to the Indian INNER LINE PERMIT. What will Assam do? Send them to Bengal? Bihar? Nesw Delhi? What?
Start with an economic boycott of Bangladeshi. Don't employ, don't buy from them. All the recent trips by Bangladeshi tour agents is nothing but a ploy to push in more of their kind in NE India. If their numbers have grown to such an extent that they do not have to rely on others buying their stuff, then there is no option but to drive them out just as the Nagas and the Arunachalis have done. If our neighbours could do it why can't it be done in Assam? Who will do it - the people of Assam ( Assamese, Bodos, Karbis, Kacharis, Garos, Rabhas, Mising, Bengalis, .. ) will have to sink their differences and form a united front to drive them out.Or how about how YOU see it done?Perhaps you would consider raising a new insurgency group, one that would not take shelter in B'desh, so they can rid you of the lunigi-menace? Would that work?It has worked in Kashmir, hasn't it? The difference is that insurgent groups have driven out minorities( read Kashmiri Pandits ) from their land.I would like to hear your opinion on the very threat itself. Perhaps it is was just an immature outburst, you would think. As an Indian in the US, would any Indian national/organization get away by threatening the Americans in their own country? I am all ears. On the lungi menace itself, what is your final limit of acceptance, meaning what do they( read B'deshis) have to do for you to acknowledge that, "Yes, they are a threat to Assam."Also please stop blaming India for all of Assam's ills. Think it has become a habit for you. The problem lies within. The Nagaland and Arunachal Govt has acted on it's own without any Indian Govt support.JS On 01/08/2007, at 8:55 PM, Chan Mahanta wrote:>likes of Hiteswar Saikia, Prafulla Mahanta and now Tarun Gogoi.*** That has covered the gamut of the choices made available by desi-democrasy. What is left to be tried? Don't tell me --- Togadia, Narendar Modi, right?Awright , so WHAT would their plan be? How would they go about doing what you want done?Or how about how YOU see it done? Please--don't repeat that earlier scheme that you had against ULFA and its sympathizers. Does not work. Really!Perhaps you would consider raising a new insurgency group, one that would not take shelter in B'desh, so they can rid you of the lunigi-menace? Would that work?I am very curious about the possibilities, having came upon a blank wall, sort of, long ago; other than absorbing those that came earlier and reducing the flow in the future. Except , WHO will perform the latter ? India won't. Assam has no resource it controls. Compound that with the hardest of all--choosing someone in Assam who can act independently, without acceding to the Indian system and its controls, which has failed you again and again.WE will be all ears. At 8:17 PM +0800 8/1/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:Unfortunately the tent can only stretch to a point and beyond that it will break apart. Why not get rid of the camel.Today our 'honourable' CM has mentioned that only 38 of the thousands pushed back from Nagaland and Arunachal are doubtful citizens, rest belong to Assam. Will he then bring this up with his counterparts in Nagaland and AP as to why Indian citizens were pushed back. We have people in power who are more interested in retaining their seats at any cost. We have fine examples in recent history from the likes of Hiteswar Saikia, Prafulla Mahanta and now Tarun Gogoi. That is the tragedy of Assam.The situation is different in the tribal states where the Govt is hand in glove with the drive of the students organisation and is lending all support. The biggest insult was the CM asking the AASU and AAMSU to work together to prevent infiltration. Isn't AAMSU the very organisation that threatened the Assamese people? How does AASU work with them when their goals are 180 degrees apart. AASU wants Bangladeshis out and AAMSU wants to make Assam a B'deshi colony?JS On 01/08/2007, at 1:39 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:>I don't think it is neither possible nor practical to push out the camel now after all those long >years. How about extending the tent and teach the camel how to co-exist. :)I like that. It would be even better if the camel promises to do just that and not to turn that area into a zoo. :)"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass"- Lakshmana Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:07:32 -0700 From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]; <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] Subject: Re: [Assam] AAMSU threat to AssameseI don't think it is neither possible nor practical to push out the camel now after all those long years. How about extending the tent and teach the camel how to co-exist. :)Mridul Bhuyan Jyotirmoy Sharma <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's a good story and amply reflects the current situation in Assam.We are in a situation where the camel is already halfway in the tent. It has to be pushed out before it pushes us out.On 31/07/2007, at 9:46 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: There is this story of the Arab & his camel. It goes something like this (for those who don't know the story).The Arab had pitched his tent for the cold Arabian night (after having fed the camel).After sometime, the camel asked the Arab :"the night's so cold, if I could just put my nose inside the tent"The Arab, being kind-hearted and compassionate, readily agreed.Once the camel had his nose in, he wanted to get some more of himself inside the tent, and as predicted, the Arab agreed.As the night progressed, and well into the morning, the Arab found himself well outside the tent, while the 'poor' camel was resting comfortably inside, occupying the whole the tent.Late in the morning, the Arab, asked if he could share a small part of the tent - and guess what the camel told him............:) :) and how many of you think the Arab got his tent back?(no grand prizes for correct answers:)) --RamOn 7/31/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:From the Sentinel editorial. I guess some(very few though) would laugh it off just as they have been laughing off the threats of the lungi menace or call it Islamic phobia. I strongly agree that their guts to threaten the Assamese people in lower Assam comes from numbers - that lower Assam -Dhubri, Goalpara and Barpeta have become their strongholds. Would any minority organisation be able to threaten the majority in any state in any country? What would be the consequences would be anyone's guess JS First they want a separate council. The AAMSU Notoriety Last Saturday, Ajijul Hussain Khondakar, chief organizing secretary of the All Assam Minorities Students' Union (AAMSU) came down heavily on the All Assam Students' Union (AASU) for the latter's new and just initiative to flush out illegal Bangladeshis from Asom, especially in the wake of the oust-Bangladeshi drive in neighbouring States. Khondakar also branded AASU advisor Samujjal Bhattacharyya as a ''Congress agent''. Take it this way: even if one believes that Bhattacharyya is a Congress agent, it does not produce any great unsettling effect, compounded by treason and conspiracy to decimate the Asomiya society, as the effect produced in the AAMSU's show of solidarity with illegal Bangladeshis after, of course, defining them as Indian 'minorities'. Which means even if Bhattacharyya is a Congress agent as the AAMSU would have us believe, that is not making him prone to any allegation that he is an agent of the ISI and Bangladeshi fundamentalist and terrorist organizations. (Just think how easily one would brand the AAMSU and its other varieties as cohorts in the ISI-Bangladeshi design for Asom.) Which further means if Bhattacharyya is indeed a Congress agent - hear this now, Mr Khondakar - the AAMSU should have nothing to say against him because a Congress agent, not mainstream leader, would obviously do everything clandestine to consolidate the Bangladeshi vote bank in Asom; after all, it is the Congress that has had the unique distinction of having worked out the perverse definition of illegal Bangladeshis in Asom as Indian 'minorities' to be eventually followed by even the AGP during its Dispur days. Mr Khondakar, are you still talking sense then? Be that as it may, the AAMSU notoriety is actually manifest in its assertion that it would go all out to protect the suspected Bangladeshis, who are being chased away by neighbouring States like Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland, because they are not illegal Bangladeshis but Indian 'minorities'. And then, the AAMSU also threatened the Asomiyas in lower Asom of retaliation if the oust- Bangladeshi drive continued in the State which, as it would say, is nothing but an Asomiya ploy to harass the 'minorities'. The question is: How can an organization like the AAMSU have the guts to talk of retaliation against the Asomiyas in Asom? It can be answered in two ways. One, today the AAMSU mentality stems from the fact that most of lower Asom is dominated by what it calls 'minorities', thanks not only to illegal immigration from Bangladesh but also to their fertility rate. Today the AAMSU is confident of saying anything against the Asomiyas when it comes to lower Asom, because the organization knows how safe it is, and how safe the 'minorities' are, in this part of Asom. It is pretty clear who most of these so-called minorities are. And two, the AAMSU has the guts to talk against the Asomiyas because they foresee how Asom will look like, say, 10 years down the line - as part of a greater Islamic state or, to use 'secular' language, a greater Bangladesh. It happens only in Asom, this AAMSU audacity to speak against the people of the State - the majority - despite living in this State, using its resources, and of course thriving even at the cost of the indigenous populace. 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